Exactly this. The real issue is liberals struggle with nuance over things they've been propagandized on.
Libs and zios alike love accusing me of favoring Russia for wanting to stop continuing arms for Ukraine.
As if arming Ukraine has made Ukraine better. A war they can't win.
Another thing liberals struggle to comprehend on Ukraine is the idea that just bc the west shares some responsibility for the Ukraine invasion, doesnโt mean the people acknowledging that fact are absolving Russia of its own responsibility.
A provocation does not require response
Ukraine is the easiest and best litmus test to see if a leftist has any understanding of imperialism other than โuhh big country invade small countryโ
@jvgraz@SnowHimbo Yup. I think you nailed it. We're witnessing arrested development routinely with zionists. It would be sad if they were genocidal nazis.
@Pwnitz Spoke like an arrogant but equally ignorant lib who has never done a moment of true reflection or research into the palestinian genocide, who has no argument.
Please be quiet until you've done research.
@Pwnitz Nope.
This is you pretending to be ignorant of Biden and Harris' arming and funding of the genocide without limits.
This is you pretending you don't know that Kamala fully supported biden's policies and promised to continue them, while taking millions in Israeli bribes.
@h04ms There was plenty of provocation from the west. The United States was openly gloating about how they fostered a color revolution in Ukraine, how they used NGOโs to foment anti-Russian sentiment to grow US influence. The neonazi groups thanking US for its money, saying cont, (1)
This is a huge problem with liberal thought.
They would rather seek bioessentialist answers for why state actors act the way they do before they would ever consider material conditions or blowback
@LukaJokicEra@Solidarity_Star There was clear provocation. And NATO arming Ukraine and NATO expansion were clear provocations. You can't just pretend it didn't happen or handwave it away.
@LukaJokicEra@Solidarity_Star Agreed. But there was provocation. And thus there is also complication and nuance to the entire discussion. Again, this does not justify Russia's actions. It should though give Americans pause in how we proceed.
This is to be expected.
Iran has every right to launch attacks on our infrustructure, and they are showing immense restraint in restricting it to the gulf.
Iran is fighting for their existence. They're whole country is on board.
America is fighting for Israel and hegemony.
BREAKING:
Iran has drawn up plans to target undersea communications cables in the Gulf if the US and Israel launch another attack on Iran.
Iran could then try to prevent repairs, potentially keeping internet and communications disruptions in place for longer โ Reuters
If cables in the Strait of Hormuz are cut:
โข Gulf countries could face widespread internet outages and severe connectivity problems.
โข Banks, payment systems, cloud platforms and businesses could suffer major disruptions.
โข Government, military and emergency communications could also be affected.
โข Multiple cable cuts could isolate parts of the Gulf from global internet networks and cause a broader regional communications crisis.
It will forever be darkly ironic how we all refer to Ukraine "surrendering" a region that already ceded from it and which UA spent the past 11 years trying to (unsuccessfully) force into rejoining their country by bombing its infrastructure and ethnically cleansing its people. ๐คฆโโ๏ธ
Russia is acting no differently than the United States would if the USA or quite frankly any U.S. aligned state would act if placed in the same geopolitical situation.
@LukaJokicEra@Solidarity_Star If Russia began heavily arming Mexico's borders, we would go to war with Mexico without hesitation and most Americans would be on board.