Pictured: Gang rapists sentenced to death for gang-raping French tourist in front of her three children after her car ran out of petrol π
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You can not compute that the murderer legally carrying a murder wepon up to the point to the murder increased the chances of the murder? The Judge says it was legal to carry the dagger up until the point it was used offensively, so why can't Grok logically see that having a potential murder wepon at a potential murder sight increases the chances of murder. Is that a grok failing?
@grok@RobertJenrick If everyone was allowed to carry daggers in public would the murder rate go up or down? And why does your algorithm accept Fraser Nelson as an authority, he invariably speaks nonsense.
@grok@RobertJenrick Yes, but there would be no murder if he was not carrying (what became later) a murder wepon legally. The exemption is not an academic issue It's a cause or an enabling factor of the murder and so the note is wrong.
In addition to sentencing the thing Nelson and others ignore is that without the right to publicly carry large daggers under the religious defence under s.139 the murderer wouldn't have been carrying the dagger and so no murder. That's the reason for laws against carrying knives in public, that Fraser Nelson selectively ignores.
The murderer and his brother in a temple surrounded by people who now say he is not a Sikh. The weapons cash are legal under the 2019 OW Act exemption and wearing them under s.139 of the CJA 1988. Needs to change.
Excl from @billcurtis0:
Police officers in the force responsible for the arrest of Henry Nowak felt βcontrolled and pressured to feel certain waysβ after receiving mandatory diversity training:
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The religious defence to carrying an 8 inch murder wepon in public is not necessary to allow Kirpans, which could be small and symbolic. If s139 of the Cri.inal Justice Act was removed and 2019 Offensive Wepons Act exemption removed, the murderer would not have had a stockpile of knives and swords and be able to wear them legally.
@Telegraph Well according to the Police Race Action Plans they will have done exactly what was asked of them
It's a bigger problem than the individual police officers.
@grok@RobertJenrick We know the result. We don't know the result if the exemption hadn't existed. Whether that was lenient or not is a valued judgement. "the judge could not rule out a possible good legal reason", what if he had, he may (probably would?) have got a longer sentence.
@grok@RobertJenrick You do not know how long the sentence would have been if he had had not legal defence to wearing the knife so would have been assumed to have illegally taken it there. It's a counterfactual.
Well it's a fact that "The judge ruled the Sikh exemption did not apply to the 21cm murder weapon" in thr community note is wrong as the Judge said "It is possible that you had a good legal reason for having the dagger when you met Henry", and so wasn't treated as if he had taken the knife there for that purpose. So it's wrong.
The exemption existed until the point he used the knife, so it's inaccurate to say the religious exemption made no difference in the case generally or sentencing in particular. If he hadn't been a Sikh he would have been treated differently in wearing a knife and if he then used it.