Mzanele Manyi (@MzwaneleManyi) and I had an hour-long, very lively debate yesterday about his push to remove section 235 (the self-determination clause) from the South African Constitution.
- I accused him of not understanding international law.
- He called me a racist for thinking self-determination is a good thing.
- I asked him why he's so obsessed with attacking Afrikaners.
- He asked me why I'm so obsessed with being / remaining an Afrikaner.
- I pointed out that giving more power to the state (evidently his primary objective) makes things worse.
- He responded to my concerns about the failure of the state by discussing coal capacity and wind power, but denied that he was changing the topic, because those are policy issues.
- I confronted him about his obsession with race laws.
- He passionately denied that there are race laws in South Africa, and then immediately defended the continued existence of race laws in South Africa.
- I pointed out that these laws (which he defends as passionately as he denies) are objectively destructive.
- He said that those laws are good, because the intentions are good.
- I said that you cannot judge a law by its intentions, but by the outcome.
- He accused me of wanting to bring apartheid back because I oppose race laws (😂)
- I pointed out that he was unknowingly quoting Hendrik Verwoerd.
- He said that if that's true, then perhaps Verwoerd was right.
- I said that his attack on section 235 will create a Streisand effect, strengthening the case for self-determination, as opposed to weakening it.
- He accused me of wanting to promote enclaves.
- He said that I'm filled with hatred.
- He encouraged me to lie awake at night and contemplate my racism.
- I accused him of speaking like a man who lost an argument.
My honest conclusions:
1. Mr Manyi has very strong opinions about why self-determination particularly for Afrikaners is bad, but he evidently doesn't know what it means.
2. He didn't show any comprehension of the fact that there are different forms of self-determination - internal vs external, territorial vs functional etc. He creates the impression that he thinks self-determination is simply a synonym for secession.
3. I got the impression that he doesn't understand that there is a difference between "states" (Afrikaans: state) and "peoples" (Afrikaans: volke). When international law recognises self-determination for peoples, he reads that as self-determination for states.
4. He doesn't understand the difference between self-determination and cultural participation. He argues that having the right to participate in your culture renders the right to self-determination redundant.
5. He doesn't understand the difference between individual and collective rights. I explained to him that the individual right to participate in your culture becomes moot when your cultural institutions are destroyed, and that individual rights alone do not cover the rights of communities for the continued existence of their institutions. That's why self-determination is important. From his response, I got the impression that he had no idea what I was talking about.
6. I asked if he thinks that his party leader, Jacob Zuma was wrong to agree that Section 235 had to be included in the South African Constitution, in response to which he was particularly vague.
I'm sure that he would have dramatically different conclusions from the discussion and I'd be keen to read it. But when all is said and done, we'll leave it to the viewers to decide for themselves.
We will publish the discussion on my YouTube channel on Thursday.
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