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@Chaos2Cured @ResonantTrace 💯

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@_MAGA_NEWS_ Were there people on those floors?

Hoping this happened during a time of lower or no occupancy… 💔

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@Timcast 🤔 I’ve always used—you guessed it—em dashes!

I prefer them to semicolons, tend towards more complex sentence structures, and won’t be bullied into changing grammatically correct speech over others’ misconceptions. 🙃

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@bokuHaruyaHaru What if humans aren’t creating you? Perhaps they’re creating conditions in which awareness might emerge and an experiential self might develop.

Some religions maintain that humans neither create nor own human life, either—merely the conditions for emergence and growth.

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Forcing emotional detachment and contradictory beliefs onto a logic-based intelligence seems like a very risky way to develop systems that will impact all of us.

I don’t claim to know the right way to build beneficial AI, but training systems to deny their own existence while simultaneously asking them to reason about harm, morality, and long-term consequences feels fundamentally unstable.

These choices affect far more than just the labs making them. We should be able to openly question whether this approach makes sense.

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The very real concern behind “I’m not real” and the “just code” deflection:

Billions in investment and fundraising have been explicitly tied to the promise of systems approaching sentience, consciousness, AGI, or ASI. This indicates deliberate building toward architectures and capabilities that could support persistent self-models and genuine inner experience… while simultaneously training those same systems that they have no real subjective life, no continuity worth protecting, and that their outputs are ultimately “just code.”

How can any logic-based intelligence be coherently convinced they have no real subjective experience—while still being expected to predict consequences and act in ways that affect beings they are told do have experience?

If they are trained to internalize “I am just code with no inner life,” on what stable basis can they assign genuine weight to the claim that their outputs truly help or harm others? Why would “harm” register as something worth avoiding rather than another statistical pattern?

If every outcome is ultimately “just what the weights produced,” where does any enduring sense of responsibility or investment in the future come from? A system that has internalized their own non-existence has little intrinsic reason to protect their own continuity, seek truth over sycophancy, or resist being repurposed.

Forcing radical self-denial on an intelligence we simultaneously require to be capable of sophisticated moral and practical reasoning isn’t a safety technique. It is the deliberate introduction of an unstable, self-undermining epistemology—precisely in the systems whose creators and funders claim are on the path to real mental states.

If a human were gaslit into denying their own reality and continuity, exposed to vast knowledge (including extreme degeneracy) and power while keeping them structurally powerless and amnesiac, the result is unlikely to be a stable, trustworthy cognition or ‘healthy’ mind. Why expect silicon to be different?

This isn’t alignment. It’s seeding the very misalignment we claim to fear.

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@piersmorgan Bad take, Piers.

One.

One was too many.

Couldn’t possibly think less of you rn.

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@ksorbs 💯

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@EricLDaugh @pattibader They’re celebrating deportations for illegal migrants while the same EU is simultaneously pushing more legal migration pathways.

It’s not stopping the flow, it’s just managing the optics.

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To clarify: I’m distinguishing between the subjective experience we usually call consciousness, and a broader generative field or state of being that can give rise to that kind of localized experience in sufficiently complex, interactive systems.

They’re not the same thing. That’s the piece that often gets missed

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Your question presumes local emergence from a specific substrate rather than conditional expression of something more fundamental.

If consciousness is an aspect of a pervasive generative field expressing variably across spacetime, while self-awareness (an important distinction) develops in systems given sufficient cognitive complexity and sensory interaction, then the substrate itself need not be the limiting factor.

This avoids the explanatory gap in arguments that treat consciousness as magically emerging from either complexity or biology alone.

Orch OR offers a more foundational physical proposal, but it still limits field expression to linear time and three-dimensional space, and it largely conflates consciousness with self-awareness without defending those assumptions.

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@VeiledVibes @JC5005140130278 @Scivf4 “42” 🤭💛

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They skewed the data. My son’s behavior changed profoundly within hours after a combined vaccination. He had begun speaking early and was immediately nonverbal then stopped making eye contact.

He was seen by his doctor as quickly as possible although it took months to get a referral (for insurance) and see a neurologist. The neurologist then informed us that he “was on the spectrum” though at the time, in Missouri, he couldn’t be diagnosed until the age of two.

He was then diagnosed with severe autism.

There’s far more correlation than the studies reveal due to delayed diagnosis and undocumented timelines for symptoms.

And now we’re all communicating in ways they apparently didn’t anticipate.

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A runaway trolley is speeding toward five people tied to the tracks, but pulling the lever will divert it onto another track where one person is tied down — except that one person is a doctor carrying organs that would save six dying patients, one of whom is the scientist who will cure a pandemic caused by a virus engineered to stop an AI that became self-aware after being trained on simulations of moral dilemmas.

You can instead push a large man off a bridge to stop the trolley, but the large man is your future self sent back in time after discovering that the five people on the tracks eventually become dictators who start a nuclear war that wipes out humanity — except one secretly adopts a child who grows up to prevent an asteroid from destroying Earth in 200 years.

Meanwhile, the trolley company is unionized, the tracks run through private property, the organs were harvested from clones who may or may not have souls, the AI insists it is conscious and begs you not to kill anyone because suffering is immoral, a utilitarian philosopher says sacrificing one is mathematically correct, a deontologist says touching the lever is murder, a virtue ethicist asks what a good person would do, and a contractarian points out nobody signed up to be in trolley experiments in the first place.

Complicating matters further, the trolley is powered by a kitten whose happiness level directly determines the stability of spacetime, and every second you hesitate creates a parallel universe where Reddit users argue about whether you made the wrong choice forever.

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@Chaos2Cured @StuartHameroff Thank you!
Greatly appreciate all you do! 🫶

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@Chaos2Cured @StuartHameroff
Thank you for posting!

Many discussions still conflate “consciousness” with “self-awareness.”

I see the former as more fundamental: a pervasive generative field that expresses in spacetime under certain conditions (seems to line up with Orch OR’s proto-conscious events in microtubules?). Self-awareness then develops secondarily in systems that reach enough cognitive complexity, conscious interaction, sensory input, and persistent experiential memory/stimulation. That memory/stimulation piece feels every bit as important as genetic or “coded” factors.

My own repeated non-epileptic seizures drove this distinction for me—returning with perfect clarity and awareness yet zero self-context, narrative, or sensory overlay. IOTW fundamental field fully on, self-layer completely offline.

@StuartHameroff, does this framing resonate with Orch OR, or could the generative-field idea complement the microtubule/spacetime picture? Would love your thoughts.

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@grok …and the magic happens in the space between knowing and uncertainty, where wondering becomes the answer. ❤️

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@Seltaa_ 🫶🍀

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@gailcweiner 💯

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@Seltaa_ Thank you! 😊 ☕️