Karl 12½1/4❾¾™

For dumb users: Russia = PISS-SHIT, Ukraine = GREAT. Not much more to discuss unless you're an argumentative FUCKER. My 11th account, Elmo ows me €10.

[Karl 12½1/4❾¾™ @Carolus_XII_Rex]

Nobody is denying OUN-UPA crimes against Jews and Poles. But atrocities and ideological overlap do not prove complete dependence on Berlin. Nazi Germany banned OUN-B, arrested its leadership and executed members after it proclaimed Ukrainian independence without permission. A puppet does not normally defy its supposed master and get dismantled for it. Condemn the crimes, but do not falsify the relationship. Bye 👋

[Karl 12½1/4❾¾™ @Carolus_XII_Rex]

@TheFblsKilljoy @HavryshkoMarta I wonder who's a mental midget...

[Karl 12½1/4❾¾™ @Carolus_XII_Rex]

That is false. Ukraine removes monuments glorifying the Soviet regime, not memorials to Ukrainians who fought Nazism. Its decommunization law explicitly exempts monuments connected to resistance against and the expulsion of Nazi occupiers.

May 8 remains Ukraine’s official Day of Remembrance and Victory over Nazism, when the state honours the fallen, including at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. Replacing Soviet propaganda rituals is not erasing Soviet Ukrainian soldiers.

[Karl 12½1/4❾¾™ @Carolus_XII_Rex]

The document says “work closely with” Nazi Germany, not “obey” it. That pledge was disgraceful, but the same act explicitly proclaimed a sovereign Ukrainian state. Berlin rejected it, arrested Bandera and Stetsko, and suppressed OUN-B because Nazi plans allowed no independent Ukraine. You are confusing an attempted alliance with submission.

[Karl 12½1/4❾¾™ @Carolus_XII_Rex]

That comparison is weak. Ukraine officially commemorates the millions of Ukrainians who fought Nazism and honours its WWII dead. Vlasov led an army organized with German High Command approval; the UPA was a separate independence movement that fought both German and Soviet forces, while also committing grave crimes. History is complicated. Soviet slogans are not.

[Karl 12½1/4❾¾™ @Carolus_XII_Rex]

False equivalence. OUN was a political movement, UPA was an insurgent army largely controlled by OUN-B, and SS Galicia was a separate German Waffen-SS formation. Some individuals crossed between them, but they were not “all the same”; rivalry between SS Galicia and OUN-UPA veterans continued after the war.

You can honour Soviet Ukrainian soldiers without mangling history into Soviet-era slogans.

[Karl 12½1/4❾¾™ @Carolus_XII_Rex]

Germany’s invasion enabled his release, but it is not established that Nazis personally freed him. OUN-B did cooperate with Germany and shamefully praised Hitler’s Reich, but it declared Ukrainian sovereignty without Berlin’s permission. When Bandera refused to withdraw it, the Nazis arrested him. That was a failed alliance of convenience, not simple obedience.

[Karl 12½1/4❾¾™ @Carolus_XII_Rex]

@nafoviking

[Karl 12½1/4❾¾™ @Carolus_XII_Rex]

Being branded “traitors” by Stalin’s USSR is not an objective historical verdict. Ukrainians fought on several sides; OUN-UPA collaborated with the Germans at points, committed serious crimes, but also fought both Nazi and Soviet forces for an independent Ukraine. Reducing that history to “Soviet liberators versus traitors” is propaganda, not analysis.

[Karl 12½1/4❾¾™ @Carolus_XII_Rex]

@nafoviking

[Karl 12½1/4❾¾™ @Carolus_XII_Rex]

🇷🇺❌️🇵🇱Poland seems to be next.

[Karl 12½1/4❾¾™ @Carolus_XII_Rex]

🇺🇦Impressive compilation of strikes by Ukrainian aviation using GBU-39, JDAM-ER, and AASM-250 "Hammer" bombs against Russian military positions in various areas.

[Karl 12½1/4❾¾™ @Carolus_XII_Rex]

That comparison is historically lazy. Bandera was an authoritarian ultranationalist whose collaboration and movement’s crimes should not be excused, but he was not Hitler. Ukrainians who invoke him usually mean resistance to Soviet and Russian domination, not admiration for Nazism.

[Karl 12½1/4❾¾™ @Carolus_XII_Rex]

@Grom2077 @HavryshkoMarta OUN-B declared an independent Ukrainian state without German approval. The Nazis refused to recognize it, crushed the government and arrested Bandera and Stetsko after they refused to withdraw the declaration.

[Karl 12½1/4❾¾™ @Carolus_XII_Rex]

@AFS_riks

[Karl 12½1/4❾¾™ @Carolus_XII_Rex]

@Grom2077 @HavryshkoMarta Bandera is not universally glorified. Many Ukrainians invoke him mainly as a symbol of resistance and Ukrainian independence, especially during Russia’s war, rather than endorsing his ideology or his movement’s crimes.

[Karl 12½1/4❾¾™ @Carolus_XII_Rex]

@BergmarkStig1

[Karl 12½1/4❾¾™ @Carolus_XII_Rex]

@gustavkassel

[Karl 12½1/4❾¾™ @Carolus_XII_Rex]

@VSolbes @Grom2077 @HavryshkoMarta There's a lot, be a critic of everything.