Lukas Scooty

[Lukas Scooty @CatholicLukas]

@chesterbelloc3 @1_lauren28 @1Friarminor No, Saints disagreed and most Church Fathers held the same position as him on water baptism. BOD was always speculation not dogma. The point is what does the Latin of Trent say in totality. What @1Friarminor stated is correct. Nice talking with you. You are wrong, though.

[Lukas Scooty @CatholicLukas]

@chesterbelloc3 @1_lauren28 @1Friarminor There appear to be posts in that thread that weren't on that subject, but with no pushback from you. Regardless,
@1Friarminor
is correct in the causality, ontology and the Latin. I agree, it was certainly a mistake to ask you.

[Lukas Scooty @CatholicLukas]

@chesterbelloc3 @1_lauren28 Since you are an expert in Latin, the question is directed to you in that capacity. Is what
@1Friarminor
said wrong, and if so, why? Sometimes people seek other experts to get solid information. In charity, perhaps you could answer the question for the edification of others?

[Lukas Scooty @CatholicLukas]

@BigModernism See what
@1Friarminor
has said on the dogma of baptism recently. Go through all of it slowly. He explains in great detail the Latin of Trent, ontology, causality, separation from desire. God will provide even with a miracle (Acts 8). The label Feeneyite lacks Christian charity.

[Lukas Scooty @CatholicLukas]

@ShroudJesus @VladSarto @StARadtrad @D1870473838573 @CarloMVigano Interesting observation. Does he come down so hard on the BOD people preaching that non-Catholics go to heaven?

[Lukas Scooty @CatholicLukas]

@VladSarto @ShroudJesus @StARadtrad @D1870473838573 @CarloMVigano Are these the same "jackasses" that say one must be baptized; that most trads say are the biggest enemies of the Church? It's strange how the flower-trads and N.O. people can without doubt agree on that issue. BOD is the great dogma. Salvation outside Christ is a dogma! Absurd.

[Lukas Scooty @CatholicLukas]

@VladSarto @ShroudJesus @StARadtrad @D1870473838573 @CarloMVigano There seems to be a lot of information about yourself and what you know about what is going on here. I suppose others might not ask questions if they knew as much about the matter as you do.

[Lukas Scooty @CatholicLukas]

@VladSarto @ShroudJesus @StARadtrad @D1870473838573 @CarloMVigano Of course he could have serious reasons. But simple people who are struggling through this wasteland are searching for anything that could be positive. They have waited a long time. Maybe they think they received the run around many times. Perhaps they have hope this is not that.

[Lukas Scooty @CatholicLukas]

@VladSarto @ShroudJesus @StARadtrad @D1870473838573 @CarloMVigano There is nothing wrong with a request to answer that simple question in public. People here are asking and they would believe him if he confirmed. They would take him at his word. Perhaps it's none of your business based on circumstance; it could be for others.

[Lukas Scooty @CatholicLukas]

@VladSarto @ShroudJesus @StARadtrad @D1870473838573 @CarloMVigano So you would ask him? But for him to simply say it to everyone without the need to repeat himself to each person is a bad idea? In case you haven't noticed, things aren't going so well for those trying to keep tradition, they aren't perfect, but isn't that to be expected?

[Lukas Scooty @CatholicLukas]

@LL7hywi11bd0n3 @__Isabella__007 @NovusOrdoWatch @FrDesposito This Church condemned what you wrote here, it didn't agree with it.

[Lukas Scooty @CatholicLukas]

@LL7hywi11bd0n3 @__Isabella__007 @NovusOrdoWatch @FrDesposito Do you believe life begins at conception? In other words, is the soul infused into the body at conception or at a later time? Perhaps not until much later, as many abortion advocates claim? Explain your exact position, and we'll check it against the Roman Catechism.

[Lukas Scooty @CatholicLukas]

@badatcatholic Yes, but the entire thread by @1Friarminor shows it is used to mean both because of everything else he explains in great detail. The sacrament of baptism is the instrumental cause of justification without it no one was ever justified. Trent 6.7. Consider reading through it.

[Lukas Scooty @CatholicLukas]

@badatcatholic I used the word "or." Use your same logical conclusion here and apply it to Trent 6/4 where it says "or the desire". Both are necessary, ex. Romans 1.21. The sacrament of baptism isn't valid if one doesn't desire it. Desire alone isn't valid without the sacrament of baptism.

[Lukas Scooty @CatholicLukas]

@badatcatholic In other words, I meant one must believe both, right? Denial of one of the two is not acceptable in that sentence, correct? Both are necessary for belief. That is what is being said?

[Lukas Scooty @CatholicLukas]

@badatcatholic This question: In this phrase in quotes do you think I meant one can deny one of these dogmas or did I mean one can't deny the two dogmas? "If one says Christ didn't rise from the dead or He is not God"

[Lukas Scooty @CatholicLukas]

@badatcatholic It depends on what he really believed. If he seriously and firmly believed that people who die rejecting Christ are saved, I don't know if he believed that, then that's a problem. Please answer my question above.

[Lukas Scooty @CatholicLukas]

@badatcatholic In this phrase do you think I meant one can deny one of these dogmas or did I mean one can't deny the two dogmas?

"If one says Christ didn't rise from the dead or He is not God"

[Lukas Scooty @CatholicLukas]

@badatcatholic Better not to. Yes, but there is nuance. If one says Christ didn't rise from the dead or He is not God that is not the same as a BOD speculation based on some theologians and one word from Trent. This subject is important because it leads to a rejection of Christ in the end.

[Lukas Scooty @CatholicLukas]

@badatcatholic There is no way any future pope would infallibly condemn my position. The odds are greater that BOD will be explicitly condemned, because based on the infallible councils it's far easier to do.

[Lukas Scooty @CatholicLukas]

@badatcatholic As already said, there has always been speculation from the start. You don't seem to understand the definition of heresy and condemnation. Read the story of Martin Luther and what was said to better understand how grave and obvious it is. Speculation on catechumens is not that.