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This is why it makes no sense for Protestants to say they ask for friends to pray. If we can go directly to God, why does God teach us to pray for each other? And if it is true that our prayers are efficacious, why wouldn't we assume that asking saints to pray would be better than asking our friends? "The fervent prayer of a righteous person is very powerful."
"Brothers, my heart’s desire and prayer to God on their behalf is for salvation." Rom 10:1
Protestant teaching cannot be reconciled with all Scriptures.
How does one identify as a leader of God's people? In the New Testament, this is either by appointment from the Apostles or by a sign from God, as in Saint Paul's case.
There is no self appointed or self exalted leader in Christianity. This alone is sufficient to refute Protestantism, whose self appointed "pastors" and teachers will nevertheless tell you that God "called them", but also that the true authority is scripture and anyone can understand the Scriptures without need of interpretation.
Protestants will immediately contradict themselves in practice. They will make necessary that you attend church on Sunday, tithe to the church, make you recognize the authority of the pastor, on and on. Salvation, for them in practice, is not by grace alone because they would not need churches or pastors if this were the case. They would not need pastors or teachers if the scriptures were the authority and could be plainly understood by anyone. They would need none of this if they believe that the work of the cross is complete. They contradict Jesus' teaching himself who tells us to take up our cross. Why would we take up our cross if grace alone saves? Jesus just wants to watch us suffer? Protestantism is full of these contradictions, but their sophistry will continue to gather adherents to their false interpretations and teaching.
@Catholic_Haze Major Protestant traditions share the same core gospel: salvation by grace through faith in Christ alone, the authority of Scripture, and the finished work of the cross.
That is not endless fragmentation.
This always comes back to "a practice the New Testament never teaches or models."
As if the thousands of Protestant denominations ONLY do things the New Testament teaches or models. This rule only applies to Catholics.
Protestantism is not serious.
@Catholic_Haze@catholicbob There is no contradiction.
One is biblical fellowship. The other is a practice the New Testament never teaches or models.
Christ remains the only Mediator we need.
@mark_petereit "Major Protestant traditions"
Oh, OK. The "major" ones.
Scripture is the authority. But we do have "Protestant traditions". Got it.
There were zero Protestants before the 16th century. This is all cope.
If asking a friend to pray for you does not violate "Christ alone is the one Mediator", then asking a Saint to pray for you does not either. Alternatively, both violate the one mediator idea.
Protestants want the teaching to be anti-Catholic, so they add to the Scriptures: "a Saint in heaven cannot hear us", which is not asserted by Scripture.
@mark_petereit@catholicbob You can't post without contradicting yourself. If it is Jesus' job to intercede on our behalf, why do you ask sinners to pray for you?
@AJP_1776 If a skull of a holy spirit was associated with a miracle for you or a loved one, you sure would save it. You just don't believe in miracles.
Protestants don't read the Bible.
2 Kings 13:
"Some that were burying a man cast the body into the sepulchre of Elisha. And when it had touched the bones of Elisha, the man came to life, and stood upon his feet."
Relics of holy men causing a miracle.
@mark_petereit@catholicbob "I can't imagine..."
So, what you cannot imagine is authoritative Christian doctrine? The Christian imagination is larger than yours.
"The saints aren't God". Neither are your friends. But the Saints are fully alive with God, your friends are not. Catholics do both, ask for the prayers of friends and Saints. Protestants make the latter sinful which unreasonable and is only done to avoid admitting that Catholic practice is true.
@Catholic_Haze Yes, but the saints AREN’T God. They’re neither omniscient nor omnipresent.
So unless you are also in heaven, standing right next to them, they cannot hear your prayers.
But Jesus can, and does.
"[Your friends] are not God. They are neither omniscient nor omnipresent."
As true of your friends as Saints in heaven.
"So unless you are in heaven, standing right next to them, they cannot hear you."
This is entirely unbiblical and made up. Angels constantly hear and speak with men on earth in the Bible. St. John converses with heavenly beings in the entire book of Revelation. Jesus speaks with Elijah and Moses at the Transfiguration. It is necessary to make sense of Protestant teaching for this to be true, that saints in heaven can't hear us, but this is unbiblical and illogical.
"And if [your friends] could, they would probably look embarrassed and point you to the one you’re SUPPOSED to be praying to: Jesus."
This would apply to your friends too. When you ask your friend to pray for you, are they embarrassed and say, "dude, go directly to Jesus yourself." No, they pray.
Protestant teaching does not make sense.