Dear Sam Uffindell , you seem to have a wrong view on why people aren’t happy about the FTA deal with India.
It’s got nothing to do with our hard working awesome Indian community here, it’s a terrible unfair deal that will put a negative force on both countries. Winston Peters explains it well here.
He’s right, why should we be tougher on immigration rules on Indian citizens than on citizens of other FTA partner countries. Singling out Indians is unfair, risks damaging relations with India and New Zealand’s reputation, and perhaps any additional restrictions should apply equally to all FTA partners.
But we don’t have THE IMMIGRATION DEAL like the one with India, with all our FDA partners now, do we.
Comprehension is the key about this deal and the outrage it raised, not race, bad deal!
Serious questions need answering on NZ-India FTA
“For six months, we have been warning that the India-New Zealand FTA would, under current policy settings, mean open slather immigration from India to New Zealand,” Leader of New Zealand First Winston Peters says.
“We have recently discovered that there has been an abrupt change of course – with changes being made to immigration settings which target Indians and Indians alone.”
“Officials have warned Ministers that these changes could have impacts on our bilateral relationship with India and our reputation as a place to do business, and be open to legal challenge or retaliation from India. We have also seen evidence of officials discussing the importance of these changes not being publicly announced for fear of the Indian reaction.”
This discriminatory treatment, approved by the Minister of Immigration, includes:
- imposing on Indian citizens a labour market/economic needs test that doesn’t apply to citizens of other relevant FTA partners;
- precluding Indian citizens from applying for a temporary employment entry visa from within New Zealand, an option available to citizens of other relevant FTA partners;
- treating Indian citizens worse than the citizens of other relevant FTA partners when it comes to their partners and children; and
- precluding Indian citizens from counting work experience on a temporary employment entry visa towards residency requirements, a right extended to citizens of other relevant FTA partners.
“The Indian Government has the right to know about National’s intention to treat Indian citizens in a discriminatory manner relative to citizens of other FTA partners, such as China, Thailand, South Korea,” Mr Peters says.
“New Zealand First would have preferred that the India FTA not include any migration concessions whatsoever,” Mr Peters says. “But if the Government has negotiated such commitments it is only fitting and proper that it be transparent with India about how it intends to apply them – and in what respects it intends to treat Indians worse than Chinese, Thais, Koreans and nationals from other New Zealand FTA partners.
“We suggest that if additional restrictions are applied to Indians travelling to New Zealand under this FTA, the only consistent and principled step would be to apply these restrictions to citizens of all FTA partners. This, sadly, is palpably not the approach being contemplated by our coalition partners and Labour – and they need to explain why.”
“These issues will be important to both the Indian Government and to New Zealand’s Indian community, who will be concerned to ensure that Indians receive equitable treatment to people of other nationalities. Labour is now complicit in National’s plan to treat Indians inequitably. But it is not too late for Labour to change course and oppose this shoddy FTA.”
“We urge the Prime Minister, the Trade Minister and the Immigration Minister to make clear to India, before the FTA legislation is passed into law, about the ways in which they intend to implement this FTA differently from our previous relevant FTAs.”
“We look forward to the Prime Minister, Trade Minister and Immigration Minister clarifying these matters publicly with urgency, so as to avoid any potential trade retaliation, legal action, or reputational damage.
“There must be equitable treatment for citizens of all countries coming into New Zealand under our various FTAs. Discriminatory treatment is not the New Zealand way.”
Serious questions need answering on NZ-India FTA
For six months, we have been warning that the India-New Zealand FTA would, under current policy settings, mean open slather immigration from India to New Zealand.
We have recently discovered that there has been an abrupt change of course – with changes being made to immigration settings which target Indians and Indians alone.
Officials have warned Ministers that these changes could have impacts on our bilateral relationship with India and our reputation as a place to do business, and be open to legal challenge or retaliation from India. We have also seen evidence of officials discussing the importance of these changes not being publicly announced for fear of the Indian reaction.
This discriminatory treatment, approved by the Minister of Immigration, includes:
- imposing on Indian citizens a labour market/economic needs test that doesn’t apply to citizens of other relevant FTA partners;
- precluding Indian citizens from applying for a temporary employment entry visa from within New Zealand, an option available to citizens of other relevant FTA partners;
- treating Indian citizens worse than the citizens of other relevant FTA partners when it comes to their partners and children; and
- precluding Indian citizens from counting work experience on a temporary employment entry visa towards residency requirements, a right extended to citizens of other relevant FTA partners.
The Indian Government has the right to know about National’s intention to treat Indian citizens in a discriminatory manner relative to citizens of other FTA partners, such as China, Thailand, or South Korea.
New Zealand First would have preferred that the India FTA not include any migration concessions whatsoever. But if the Government has negotiated such commitments it is only fitting and proper that it be transparent with India about how it intends to apply them – and in what respects it intends to treat Indians worse than Chinese, Thais, Koreans and nationals from other New Zealand FTA partners.
We suggest that if additional restrictions are applied to Indians travelling to New Zealand under this FTA, the only consistent and principled step would be to apply these restrictions to citizens of all FTA partners. This, sadly, is palpably not the approach being contemplated by our coalition partners and Labour – and they need to explain why.
These issues will be important to both the Indian Government and to New Zealand’s Indian community, who will be concerned to ensure that Indians receive equitable treatment to people of other nationalities. Labour is now complicit in National’s plan to treat Indians inequitably. But it is not too late for Labour to change course and oppose this shoddy FTA.
We urge the Prime Minister, the Trade Minister and the Immigration Minister to make clear to India, before the FTA legislation is passed into law, about the ways in which they intend to implement this FTA differently from our previous relevant FTAs.
We look forward to the Prime Minister, Trade Minister and Immigration Minister clarifying these matters publicly with urgency, so as to avoid any potential trade retaliation, legal action, or reputational damage.
There must be equitable treatment for citizens of all countries coming into New Zealand under our various FTAs. Discriminatory treatment is not the New Zealand way.
For months Luxon has been blarping on saying that WP was wrong - that the India FTA doesn’t allow mass immigration
It’s now been revealed that National are panicking after realising it does and are trying to surreptitiously place blocks on Indian Immigration - terrified that India will find out about the changes and come down on Luxon like a ton of bricks.
So this awesome deal, which cements the Paris agreement and co-governance which National and Act are pretending to be unaware of, has also been exposed for what it is - an Immigration deal.
This FTA is bad in every which way, and voters know it - which is why both National and Labour are bleeding.
Send it back to the select committee stage and let National/Act/labour take it the election for us to have our say on this absolute dog shit deal.
Suggestions for real immigration reform? I'll start:
1. Permanent residence: 10 yrs as Resident, not 3
2. Repatriate residents for ANY crimes
3. Citizenship: demonstrable assimilation
4. High unemployment = immigration ban
5. Hard caps
6. Ban nations with less GDP/capita than NZ
I’m in favour of strict immigration rules for any country not culturally aligned with NZ
The justification that we need their skills is weak. We can fill roles with experts from Europe, Aus & America.
And if it is solely to access their market - then we have clearly sold out.
The issue surrounding the India FTA is not a game.
It has become clear now that NZFirst was right about the FTA creating unprecedented immigration settings. We stated that this FTA gives too much away on immigration.
We said that the “5000 work visa holders” was never the case. It was always going to mean “20,000+ more immigrants” as default immigration settings enable them to bring in families. That’s not even including the guaranteed work rights for the uncapped students. That means it will be even harder for kiwis finding jobs.
Kiwis are clearly concerned about these immigration settings in this FTA and is why ministers are now wanting to change and restrict how default immigration settings apply in the FTA with India.
They know kiwis are opposed to this part of the deal. But only NZFirst has led the opposition to it.
Our stance has always been that there should be no immigration as part of any FTA. That remains the case. And in fact there should be more restrictions on New Zealand’s immigration settings to ensure we put kiwis first.
Who knew, Iain Lees Galloway, self confessed socialist and Toni Grace, the fiancé of Labours Hipkins are the key arrangers of the Opportunities Party?
So those who think it’s a right wing cult, think again
This is a tax driven ideology dressed up as cuddly lamb
'Ethnic Communities' imposing political pressure is a testament to NZ's failed immigration policies.
I'm originally from Texas but I don't advocate for Americans. If Kiwis don't want more Americans it's SOLELY their prerogative, and I'd respect that.
We are at a tipping point.
@GregAFC These sort of tests would usually go to a smaller stadium in a normal test year, maybe they should have skipped Wellington in favour of Dunedin or Hamilton? That way 25k people is a full house.
The most manipulative but effective thing I’ve ever done in my life was when I read an article about how children moderate their behavior to protect their self-identity, so if a child believes he’s smart, for example, he’ll intentionally study and try to do well to protect his image of himself.
Anyway, I would pull kids aside with behavioral issues at church and tell them, “David (obviously fake name), you’re such a kind person and such a good listener. I can see that in you. Thank you for always listening.” “Little Annie, thank you for taking such good care of the babies around you. You’re going to be such a good big sister. Can you be in charge of watching Sally?”
They would ALWAYS behave afterward. ALWAYS. Worked like a charm. Morally questionable because it wasn’t initially true, but I kind of willed it into existence. Tbf, I did think that they had that in them or I wouldn’t have tried.
Will publish longitudinal results of this method once my kid is old enough to report back.
Once they can verify who you are online, they no longer need police, courts, or judges to punish you, there’s no arrest, no trial, no physical prison cell.
You’re already inside the system, they just decide when to lock your cage, your bank account gets frozen, your ability to travel gets restricted, your carbon allowance runs out so you can’t buy fuel or meat, your social score drops because you said the wrong thing and suddenly you can’t buy, sell or even speak, you are cut off.
This is how they skip the entire legal system and go straight to total compliance, Agenda 2030, 15-minute cities, personal carbon credits, social credit all of it becomes enforceable the second this digital ID infrastructure is in place.
They’re not protecting your kids, they’re building the prison that your kids are going to grow up inside.
The difference between a conspiracy theory and the truth is time and time is running out.
credit @wideawake_media@ALEXNEWMAN_JOU
X is banned for under 16s, but Bluesky isn't.
X is a platform where people regularly share videos of crime, protests, political scandals and government failures.
The other is overwhelmingly left wing and far more sympathetic to the establishment, with no videos of crime, or government failure.
Naturally children, who have no other options, are now going to flood onto Bluesky and only see left leaning viewpoints.
This is a two tier social media ban.
🚨 A "BIG MOMENT FOR OUR COUNTRY."
Good morning to the millions of everyday Brits waking up to a new digital prison.
Keir Starmer has just officially announced his blanket ban on social media for teenagers!
He literally stood at a podium, rambled on about his childhood in the 1970s, and claimed he is doing this to keep your kids safe. 🤡
You honestly have to laugh at the sheer delusion.
He completely refuses to protect our actual streets from violent criminals, but he is completely obsessed with policing your family's phones.
Do not be fooled for a single second!
To enforce this ban, every single adult in Britain will now be forced to upload a passport or digital ID just to browse the web!
This is not about child safety. It is a massive Trojan horse for total state surveillance.
RT if you see right through this scam and refuse to let the Labour elite control us! 🇬🇧🔥