Even Yisroel Centeno

[shevereshtus @shevereshtus]

Baruch Dayan HaEmet

Moshe ben Shlomo Mizrachi hy"d, was killed in the attack.

[Even Yisroel Centeno @CentenoEven]

@SPVM Heroe! May he be remembered among the righteous

[Even Yisroel Centeno @CentenoEven]

Tiroteo en #Montreal en estos momentos en el barrio judío de #Lubavitch. Mi barrio.

[Canada Proud @WeAreCanProud]

#BREAKING: TWO police officers in Montreal were SHOT in Montreal early this afternoon, according to the Montreal Gazette.

An emergency alert has been issued to the city's Côte-des-Neiges neighbourhood, urging residents to STAY INDOORS.

Police said "if you are in the affected area, shelter indoors, lock the doors, stay away from windows and follow instructions of local authorities."

No word on the condition of the officers. The incident comes after a series of two police murders in Toronto earlier this month.

[Even Yisroel Centeno @CentenoEven]

@elonmusk @GadSaad Yes.

[Even Yisroel Centeno @CentenoEven]

Thank you for the quotes. Now let's see. Your frame categorizes mine as the "dogmatic, contortionist" and you call yours "honest" only by hiding where you chose to.

So I name the tension in the text. You smooth it over to look clean. Naming is the honest move; concealing is not.

You say my words have "no cognitive content." But the rule behind that — only what's objectively stateable counts — can't be stated that way. It fails its own test. The charge of meaninglessness is the one sentence here without meaning by its own standard.

You brought quotes that deny what I also deny, and thought it refuted me. You confused dragging with being drawn. What the Rambam denies — explicitly, in a list with כופה and גוזר, against the star gazers — is a force that leaves no room to deviate: "שֶׁאִי אֶפְשָׁר לָזוּז מִמֶּנּוּ" meaning: astral or theological determinism. That's not what I described.

You cited a refutation of astrology and read it as a refutation.

Then refuse to accommodate a dogma? — while standing on revelation, which reason can't establish either. It's a fact that we're both inside something reason can't prove. The difference: I say so. You call yours reason itself.

Plus, you call my position subjective which is true but your drive to purge subjectivity isn't a deduction — no logic commands amputating one side of a tension. It's a preference for the clean system. A value. The very subjectivity you claim to have left behind.

So you can't file me where you wanted. Call it subjective — yours is too. Call it dogma — you're inside one. Call it unrigorous — rigor is what convicts you.

A thinker is free to explore ideas with humility, how much more so religious ones.

[Even Yisroel Centeno @CentenoEven]

@NhavsMaimonides @trueknowledge82 @zekelehrman Nice to see how dogmatically you believe your own "gotchas." Text you later.

[Even Yisroel Centeno @CentenoEven]

@NhavsMaimonides @trueknowledge82 @zekelehrman You practice eisegesis but won't declare it. You claim the text says what you need it to say, then accuse me of subjectivism while you stand on interpretation, not source. You want canon without admitting interpretation. The Academy would cringe.

[Even Yisroel Centeno @CentenoEven]

@NhavsMaimonides @trueknowledge82 @zekelehrman You conflate disinterest with absence of telos. The Rambam removes the self as the end — not the end itself.

"The self is not the end" isn't "nothing moves the soul." Opposite claims. You're forcing the Rambam into your reading and calling it canon.

[Even Yisroel Centeno @CentenoEven]

@NhavsMaimonides @trueknowledge82 @zekelehrman C) I'm not saying "magnet." The Rambam's term is choshek. The mind exclusively engaged, unable to release its object. Not external force — internal adhesion. The soul doesn't get pulled; it cannot let go. You need to account for his: שוגה & חולה אהבה are not worldly interests.

[Even Yisroel Centeno @CentenoEven]

@NhavsMaimonides @trueknowledge82 @zekelehrman B) "For no end other than itself" still requires something that orients the will toward truth. If nothing orients it, the "lover" does nothing. The Rambam says he is שוגה — consumed (10:3). That is not "nothing moving him."

[Even Yisroel Centeno @CentenoEven]

@NhavsMaimonides @trueknowledge82 @zekelehrman See you later. A gute voch.

[Even Yisroel Centeno @CentenoEven]

@NhavsMaimonides @trueknowledge82 @zekelehrman Yeah, you said that before on your posts. Sounds poetic but still you didn't prove that reading because it's not self evident.

[Even Yisroel Centeno @CentenoEven]

@NhavsMaimonides @trueknowledge82 @zekelehrman 5. You conceded m'ahavah, conceded teleology, conceded God-as-end. The only thing left between us is whether an infinite end draws the soul. Moreh III:51 says it does and you're one concession away from my position, and you got there citing it.

[Even Yisroel Centeno @CentenoEven]

@NhavsMaimonides @trueknowledge82 @zekelehrman 4. I never said serve for delight — that's the self-interest you keep attacking and I keep rejecting...