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@njt55 @JimComparoni First of all, only agents/coaches/players know the money being spent. There were plenty of media (including UofM media) that made it clear they spent plenty on those guys. I honestly don't care what they spent. I just don't see the need to try and spin this now as he's leaving

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@JacobAndTheJets @UMoverall @DarkoStateNews But we could go at this all day. I respect your opinion...we'll agree to disagree. It's all good man

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@JacobAndTheJets @UMoverall @DarkoStateNews Again I'm not saying it isn't close. Michigan has been really good, no doubt. But they've also been inconsistent. And using final fours wins in a single game elimination setting as the driving barometer for your argument isn't telling the full story.

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@JacobAndTheJets @UMoverall @DarkoStateNews MSU 24-17 head to head
MSU 509-205 record/UM 424-238
MSU 11 big ten titles/UM 7
MSU 4 final fours/UM 3
Michigan missed 7 ncaa tourneys. How does that not matter? lol

Michigan won a title, that's big for sure. But I don't think it's hard to make an argument MSU is better.

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@JacobAndTheJets @UMoverall @DarkoStateNews First of all, MSU pros have been better. I don't think that's disputable. So who cares whose been drafted but busted. Secondly MSU has won at the final four in the 09 season. So that's wrong

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@JacobAndTheJets @UMoverall @DarkoStateNews If saying 20 years to you feels good to draw a parallel between the programs, that's fine. That's the beauty of rivals and fans talking. We can always move the goal posts to make a point.

But we'll disagree on whose been the better program over the 20 years. It's MSU to me

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@JacobAndTheJets @UMoverall @DarkoStateNews lol no one is relishing on the 50s-80s. 20 years=recent history to you. Which is fine,l

Tom Izzo's whole resume is recent history for a lot of people. The dude is literally still coaching. It's not like we're talking about Magic Johnson here 😂. So yes his whole resume matters

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@UMoverall @JacobAndTheJets @DarkoStateNews For one, MSU hasn't lost every time they've made the final four. They played in the national title game in 2009. So I'd do my Hw there.

And they won it all in 2000, so they won in the final four there as well...which is a whole 6 years prior to your "20 year thing" lol.

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@UMoverall @JacobAndTheJets @DarkoStateNews If you're saying the only thing that counts is a national title, then my point was that essentially your two big sports programs have been pretty much irrelevant for the last 75+ years. That's all I'm saying

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@JacobAndTheJets @UMoverall @DarkoStateNews Dude I think you and I just look at differently. If you wanna base it on a national title, then yes right here in this moment you have bragging rights over every other hoops program. But every other metric, he has been better in the last 20 years. That's not an opinion

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@UMoverall @JacobAndTheJets @DarkoStateNews I know because UofM has so many national titles in football and basketball since 1950. I forgot you're the Alabama of football and the Duke of basketball with all of your national titles in the last 75+ years lol. By this argument, your whole fball program is filled them lol

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@JacobAndTheJets @DarkoStateNews I know the facts hurt you buddy boy. So your only response is that. And I was born in the 80s so I enjoyed it all

Izzo lives rent free in your head and has owned your program. I hate it for you

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@JacobAndTheJets @DarkoStateNews So your team won "one " more game in a single game elimination tourney called March madness a few more times. Yet MSU has been to said final four 5 more times than your school in the izzo era. (And won it all) I think common sense says take the final fours and every other metric

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@JacobAndTheJets @DarkoStateNews Izzo's tenure
-11 BT reg season titles (UofM 4)
-6 BTT titles (UofM 4)
-16 sweet 16's (UofM 15 tourney appearances total, so they've missed more than MSU has made the sweet 16)
-11 elite eights (UofM 7)
-8 final fours (UofM 3)
-36-18 record against UofM
-1 nat'l title (UofM 1)

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@JacobAndTheJets @DarkoStateNews Exactly, and your #'s were still off for conference titles for MSU.

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@JacobAndTheJets @DarkoStateNews 4 more big ten titles in the last 20 years, (not 2)
Head to head is easily MSU
Final fours is MSU
Tourney appearances and wins MSU

You're right, winning the nat'l title is big. (Which Izzo has done)

But there's a reason anytime uofm has success, Izzo/MSU is brought up.

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@UMoverall @JacobAndTheJets @DarkoStateNews Lol if only it was so easy to make the tourney, you'd have more

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@JacobAndTheJets @DarkoStateNews You're a little off on your conference titles man. I'd google it to get the accurate amount for MSU. And 7 less tourney appearances kind of matters too