@ChristTrlySaves@enesovat22 Consummated when she was an adult. The objective standard being the bodily indicators that differentiate between a child and an adult as established by God.
What's your objective standard you christo-atheist?
@RexVoltag@nick_matau Where do you draw the line for a fundamental belief? It seems you are saying a muslim can believe Jesus was crucified. I have not quoted any tafsir, please provide it. And the quran says the believers prevailed. What belief prevailed? You’re avoiding the facts.
@RexVoltag@nick_matau Also, my question was specifically if you can be a muslim and be mistaken ABOUT ISLAM. Can you for example call yourself a muslim and believe pigs are clean animals? Can you ascribe partners to allah? Calling yourself a muslim means nothing if you can be mistaken about islam.
@RexVoltag@Forthegrass@nick_matau I don’t have to prove that at all. 61:14 says a geoup from the children of israel believed (in the messiah) and another disbelieved. The believers in the messiah prevailed and did so through the spreading of the gospel we still have.
This is the most historical interpretation.
@RexVoltag@nick_matau ”Doesn’t say they weren’t mistaken about anything”
Okay so you can be a muslim and mistaken about matters relating to islam? Can you then be a muslim and believe Christ was crucified?
This is bad for you 😂
@IjazTheTrini@2Tim_Otheus Are they convinced of the qurans infallibility and mhmd as a perfect example for mankind simply because they ”are not anti-islam”? No.
@alikibria00@camhigby Yes and u are obliged to believe that as well since ur quran affirms tora. Muslims love to quote atheist scholars it might also interest you that kings 1-2 is deemed historically accurate by those same scholars. Those scholars probably don’t believe miracles. But you have to.
@RexVoltag@Forthegrass@nick_matau The problem you have is that we don’t have a single group of early christians affirming islamic theology or Christology, signed document or not. The quran invents such a group. We certainly don’t have such a group that prevailed which 61:14 says the true believers did.
@RexVoltag@nick_matau So now you are shifting your position to the disciples not being ”them”, meaning they weren’t deceived. Then explain why this verse says the true believers prevailed if they weren’t deceived and were muslims.