My grandfather stormed the beaches of Normandy. I once asked him what kept them pushing uphill and into the meat grinder, what kept them fighting? His answer absolutely floored me.
“We wanted Hatians to sell fake Gucci at the train station.”
@WakeUpAuthors@HwsEleutheroi@BasedMikeLee They can’t be two beings without there being multiple gods. Both are “Yahweh” in the Old Testament as we see Jesus appear to Abraham in Genesis 18 and Jesus (“Yahweh on earth”) rain fire and brimstone on Sodom and Gomorrah from the Father “Yahweh in heaven” in Genesis 19.
@WakeUpAuthors@HwsEleutheroi@BasedMikeLee Yes this is captured in the Trinitarian distinction between the Persons while still affirming the consistent teaching of Scripture that there is only one God.
The Old Testament clearly teaches that there is only one God and yet we have glimpses of the different persons as we explored in those verses out of Genesis.
The New Testament clearly teaches that the Father, Son, and Spirit are God, yet never denies the Old Testament teaching that there is only one God.
Again, Christians were forced to reckon with that what meant. It would be much easier to explain a doctrine of God that either denies that there is only one God or that denies the co-equal and co-eternal nature of the Son and Holy Spirit, yet Scripture forbids us from denying either. But one certainly wouldn’t invent such a doctrine if the goal was to gain coverts as easily as possible.
Obviously we’re not going to agree, but if you get anything out of this discussion I hope it’s this: that Christians didn’t invent the Trinity at the council of Nicaea, but rather that the Trinity is something that we catch glimpses of throughout the Old Testament, that is then revealed with much greater clarity in the New, and that the text forces that doctrine upon us as God’s self-revelation.
Their teaching office is not protected from error as we see that Paul had to rebuke Peter. Also Catholics do not hold that any bishop’s teaching is protected from error save that of the Pope and only in very limited circumstances.
Does having LGBT friendly bishops disprove Catholicism? No, not by a long shot. But it does undermine the idea of the magisterium as a monolith which is often sold as an argument for Catholicism by online sloppologists.
@WakeUpAuthors@HwsEleutheroi@BasedMikeLee Yet God is singular in the same verse where it says “God said”. So “God” refers to The Father and Jesus yet God is singular, yes?
I'm a member of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. But I deny Joseph Smith as the prophet and actually think he's a false prophet. The temple is nonsense and I don't wear the garments. I love coffee and tea. Oh. And the Book of Mormon is true as long as it's translated correctly. I deny all your core doctrines.
But I'm still LDS.