@theologyroom You dont get what i mean. In the dilemma, it says that the torah was scripture. Yet we see direct copies from the talmud. whoever "wrote" the quran was misinterpreting the talmud for the torah- Ex the story of abraham smashing the idols, raven and cain. Etc, lmao
@jordanlemichael@John316apologia Go for it. . Which scholars? What specific claim? And how does it address my original argument about the quran and earlier Jewish traditions?
@jordanlemichael@John316apologia Go for it. give me some scholars then. not getting on camera when you cant even debunk my claims & the claims made on the original video 😂😂😂😂
@jordanlemichael@John316apologia Look up the book of Rabbi Abraham Geiger, literally says what im quoting. you cant come back from this. His book was made in the 1800-1900s i believe. I dnt blame you for trying to defend this, but you cant man
@jordanlemichael@John316apologia Dnt need to hop on anything to prove anything 🤣🤣🤣 you gotta debunk all these plagarizing before ANYTHING, bunch of stuff i can send that you cannot debunk cause its all stolen.
@Rexleonum_NWA Theres a channel online called Defending the Lion, dudes theres a GOLD MINE of stuff of what the quran took. Look up the book of Abraham Geiger, has made a book up on islam and judaism. Its HILARIOUS dude
@jordanlemichael@John316apologia So no argument there. thats what the bible is lol. You cant debunk all of the stories your quran plagarized form the midrash( storytelling) BTW. And the talmud isnt divine revelation. Abrahams story of the smashing idols is in there BTW. and it was made before muhammeds time 🤣
@tgug14@John316apologia The TALMUD ISNT SCRIPTURE!!! ITS JEWISH COMMANTERY YOU CLOWN. QURAN ISNT COPYING FROM TORAH OR BIBLE ITS COPYING FROM JEWISH STORYTELLING
@AdamTheApplee@John316apologia Dude. Literally the talmud is JEWISH COMMENTARY- Midrash is STORYTELLING BY JEWS! HUMANS!!!! Thats not scripture. ITS NOT TORAH OR BIBLE THEY ARE STORIES. OPEN YOUR MIND UP
@shafii29110479 Im not saying fabricated. I'm saying they're later rabbinic interpretive traditions, not Scripture. The question is why the Qur'an repeatedly copies these later traditions. And this isnt anything new BTW
@shafii29110479 Gonna continue the convo here-
Then we just disagree on the explanation. You see independent revelation I see a repeated pattern of dependence on traditions that were already circulating. The dilemma is deciding which explanation better fits the evidence.
@shafii29110479 You saying Allah can do anything doesn't explain the historical pattern. There are plenty of examples to these kinds of things that seems like you just dont want to look into. Hell even some hadiths are straight from these jewish texts