@SunsUniTracker I have no interest in defending anything to you. Your entire schtick is embarrassing and you dont realize it but you have given away that you don't know anything about nba basketball more than once.
You are an idiot man.
We're going to have to do this forever aren't we?
Steve Nash was great. His two MVPs are highly contested. His teams were stacked and he had a revolutionary coach and system helping him out. He never made it to the NBA Finals and he played a lot of years for other teams.
Devin Booker has been the greatest Phoenix Suns player (not player who played for the Suns) for a few years now already.
@SunsUniTracker Let me fix my own mistake here, Nash was in Phoenix for 10 years.
They made the playoffs 7
09 going 46-36
11 going 40-42
12 going 33-33
In his 3 years in Phoenix missing the playoffs the Suns were 8 games over .500
The Suns have won 49.1% of Devin Booker's career games
@SunsUniTracker Nash did benefit. Every player does. Book also benefitted, he also missed the playoffs next to a guy probably better than him.
I am impressed that you actually think you are onto something here. It is completely silly
@SunsUniTracker it is silly to argue that Booker has been better than Nash even though Nash had good teammates
Devin Booker has been a really good NBA player, a 2 time all nba player! Nash was that in Dallas.....and more in Phoenix
it is what it is.
@SunsUniTracker Also Book finished 4th in MVP voting with zero first place votes.
Trying to sound serious while saying Devin Booker should've won nba mvp in 2022 is so clueless that it implies almost an innocent type of ignorance
@SunsUniTracker Are you like 15 years old or something?
The Suns won 29 games in 2004. They went 12-22 with all star PG Stephon Marbury in the lineup
Nash came in with Quentin Richardson and they won 62 games the next year.
You seem to not understand why those Suns teams looked stacked.
@SunsUniTracker Oh I see, you are arguing on behalf of a pretend argument. Idk who said he turned trash players into great players but it was not me.
Just showing that it is overwhelmingly clear Nash made those guys better in the only way he can impact their production, because you asked for it
The efficiency from all of those guys is much better with Nash. Joe Johnson shot 47% from 3 in 2005 and lead the nba
Every healthy season Amare had a true shooting % over 60% was in Phx
Steve Nash, not the Suns, led the best offense in the nba for 9 straight years for a reason
Nash romanticizers love to say "Amar'e and Marion and Joe Johnson, etc. were never as good without Nash. He made them so much better!"
Nash made everyone better. Lots of great players around him also made him better.
Ama're in his first season with NYK (got hurt again after):
25.3 PPG
8.2 REB
2.6 AST
1.9 BLK
50.2 FG%
9 consecutive 30+ games (Knicks record at the time)
All while playing next to Carmelo Anthony, who is considered one of the worst "team" players of his era (aka ballhog).
Marion:
With Suns (before Nash): 17.9 PPG/9.4 REB/46% FG
With Suns (with Nash): 19.0 PPG/10.8 REB/51% FG
I'm sure Steve helped him get better shots, but Shawn was already amazing and getting better. Steve didn't get those rebounds.
Joe Johnson:
Season before Nash arrived (2003-04): 16.7 PPG/4.7 REB/4.4 AST/43% FGA
Season with Nash: 17.1 PPG/5.1 REB/3.5 AST/46.1 FG%
7 All-Star seasons after leaving Suns/Nash: 20.2 PPG (25.0 in 2006-07)/4.1 RPG/4.6 APG/45% FG
Suns fans: it's okay to admit that Steve Nash gets a tad more credit than he deserves from those great years we all loved. It was a series of great TEAMS with a great SYSTEM and COACH, loaded with lots of great PLAYERS. Nash was the face of it and that's fine, but stop slandering all the players he was surrounded with as if they were trash without him.
@SunsUniTracker Steve made everyone better at offense dog. That's what his job was and he did it so well that all those guys had not just their most efficient season with him, but clearly their most efficient seasons with him.
They are good players, they were still better with Nash. Its ok.
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