Civil Engineer Ben

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[Civil Engineer Ben @CivilEng_Ben]

@RJKershaw13 That is ABSOLUTELY not how administration is handled legally to the best of my knowledge.

However the EFL have obviously viewed it as a good faith approach from Storch, which is fair enough.

And you might want to see what Wigfield has said about the idea that got this done.

[Civil Engineer Ben @CivilEng_Ben]

@AlanBiggs1 @RJKershaw13 And one that, you have to admit, the club were extremely lucky that the EFL didn't just say "On your bike" to.

I would've.

It was only the fear of a comparatively large Championship club going under that has saved you. Look how well it went for Bury. Or others.

[Civil Engineer Ben @CivilEng_Ben]

@RJKershaw13 @AlanBiggs1 Your analogy here is that of a landlord selling a house and taking a 90% loss because the tenant didn't keep it up.

He put the money in. Just because the club wasted it, he deserves to lose it all?

Note: SWFC were responsible for ground upkeep after the dodgy sale to S3.

[Civil Engineer Ben @CivilEng_Ben]

@RJKershaw13 @AlanBiggs1 I haven't seen that reported anywhere, so I'll take your word.

The 65% from SCMP doesn't apply to teams relegated from the Championship so you're permitted to spend more than that unless that's another condition from the EFL.

[Civil Engineer Ben @CivilEng_Ben]

@RJKershaw13 @AlanBiggs1 It is a loophole then, because administration and liquidation law suggests that all unsecured creditors are paid equally from the remaining funds after the secure creditors are paid. If Chansiri got less than everyone else,that's a loophole.

Legal, but a loophole nonetheless

[Civil Engineer Ben @CivilEng_Ben]

@RJKershaw13 @AlanBiggs1 And, added to that, you're getting all giddy about the idea of getting Vardy, presumably on daft money, which you'd not have been able to afford if not for having the debt written off!

The EFL rules need to change to remove the football creditor preference.

[Civil Engineer Ben @CivilEng_Ben]

@RJKershaw13 @AlanBiggs1 And, frankly, if SWFC and their fans were a bit more humble and contrite about the entire affair, it wouldn't sting so much.

United got a deduction for a fraction of the value, and something we paid in full. But nothing for SWFC?

[Civil Engineer Ben @CivilEng_Ben]

@RJKershaw13 @AlanBiggs1 You seem reasonable, so I'll engage in a friendly discussion on this.

You said it yourself, there IS a written (hence mandated) punishment, but the EFL decided to apply discretion and not impose it.

I think it's unfair because of the advantage get for a few seasons.

[Civil Engineer Ben @CivilEng_Ben]

@RJKershaw13 @AlanBiggs1 I'll grant you though, calling it blackmail was emotive.

It was an unveiled threat that would have indirectly (and incorrectly) led to the EFL looking bad for allowing SWFC to go under, and Storch has leveraged that to his advantage.

I'll never agree with zero points tho.

[Civil Engineer Ben @CivilEng_Ben]

@elmobroadway And, honestly, I feel for the fans. One of the few occasions where it genuinely isn't fair on you.

Your club has really done you dirty and I feel for you.

[Civil Engineer Ben @CivilEng_Ben]

@RJKershaw13 @AlanBiggs1 I'm not accusing him of anything! @AlanBiggs1 has done that for me, and stated it as fact!

But "drop the mandated punishment or I'll walk away and you can deal with the fallout from liquidating a historic club" is as close to blackmailing them as you can get.

[Civil Engineer Ben @CivilEng_Ben]

@elmobroadway You're probably not as mercenary as the average footballer.

Management sacked? No pay-off then and you can get someone less cheaty in

No money?! No fines payable; still got parachute payments plus championship money next season! Woe is you!

[Civil Engineer Ben @CivilEng_Ben]

@elmobroadway Dregs of a team? Noone is forcing you to get rid of anyone.

No management? Sacked them all?

Recruitment? Players will come if you pay them.

But sadly, all consequences of the Club's own actions, not the punishment for those actions.

I feel for you fans. But the club cheated.

[Civil Engineer Ben @CivilEng_Ben]

@liamtribb 1 charge (spying on playoff opponent) = admitted guilt -> 1 punishment (expulsion)

2 charges (spying on league opponents) -> 2 points deductions

115 charges (financial) - not admitted; not yet proven, hearing findings being considered -> no punishment (yet)

Simples.

[Civil Engineer Ben @CivilEng_Ben]

@AlanBiggs1 Are you SERIOUSLY praising the fact that the man threatened and blackmailed the authorities to get his own way at a cut price?

And yet still bleat about the EFL O&D test not being adequate in the first place?

Hypocrisy thy name is Biggs.

[Civil Engineer Ben @CivilEng_Ben]

@HalTheBlade Players surely not, because there was no guarantee they'd obtain these theoretically-higher wages and bonuses. They could still have lost even if they hadn't been booted for cheating.

Wrexham arguably though but doubt they'd get anywhere. Tevezgate Mk 2.

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@L33dsFan If SFC get away with it and are fined instead of reinstated, then the proportional punishment of a fine surely has to be equal to at least £100m? A 50/50 chance in a game worth £200m?