Carrie Kidd

Orthodox Presbyterian splitting time between singing to my baby girl, browsing the hymnal, and searching for the elusive box turtle in southwest Ohio

[Susannah Black Roberts @suzania]

This is dangerously incorrect. I have written a good deal about this. For an alternate perspective, see here. https://t.co/h628VpetUE

[Susannah Black Roberts @suzania]

This advice is essentially the equivalent of a Pilates instructor offering to do your gallbladder surgery

I have rarely read anything more dangerously irresponsible. It also comes across— I’m sure inadvertently— as smug.

[Carrie Kidd @ClausonCaroline]

@ptomer That letter was just the OPC addressing rude, unhelpful, inappropriate comments some OPC members were making toward women they disagreed with in a FB group. While Byrd’s theology was merely controversial back then, coarse joking was and is an obvious rebellion against Scripture.

[Alastair Roberts @zugzwanged]

However, the gospel isn't primarily doctrines, moral teachings, philosophical truths, a salvation system, etc. The gospel is fundamentally a story, a story that isn't just illustrative of some deeper non-story thing. It is a story that we are called to inhabit and think out from.

[Peter Leithart @PLeithart]

Re-posting from early in the year:

Eve is created to be Adam's 'ezer, his "battle-mate" (see my Glory of Man). Proverbs 31 supports this interpretation of the term.

Commentators (Bruce Waltke, Al Wolters) point to resemblances between Proverbs 31 and the Song of Deborah, which celebrates Jael's victory over Sisera, and to women’s songs praising warriors like Yahweh, Saul, and David.

The wise woman is “valiant” or “strong,” a word with military connotations (Pharaoh’s “strength” in Exod 14:4, 9, 17, 28; 15:4).

Another word for “strength” (‘oz, a pun on 'ezer) is also used (vv. 17, 25), and it too has a military connotation, applied to Yahweh as the strong Warrior of Israel (Exod 15:2, 13; cf. Judg 5:21).

The poem includes terms typically used in battle accounts: plunder (v. 11), “prey” (v. 15), ascend (v. 29), stretch out a hand (v. 19). The woman is “extolled,” as heroes are in heroic poetry (Judg 5:10; 11:40).

The woman laughs at challenges (v. 25), like a taunting warrior or victorious king. She “girds herself with strength” (v. 17), as if preparing for war.

Her work is domestic, economic, craft-work, yet cast in heroic terms. She's a battle-mate because the great battle of the world is between the seed of the serpent and the seed of the woman.

In caring for their households, wise women are on the front lines of God’s holy war.

[Carrie Kidd @ClausonCaroline]

@Vicar1973 Women need men for provision and protection, and men just need women for sex and ego boost? Representing the marriage relationship as such a dehumanizing transaction SHOULD make conservative Christian women reticent to marry. Sex exchanged for provision is prostitution.

[David L. Bahnsen @DavidBahnsen]

This is one of the funniest (or most frustrating) things about the “no enemies to my right” mantra of the gutless crowd … Not only is it cowardly, but it defines “right” as something entirely different than anyone with a semblance of conservative backbone would recognize

[Carrie Kidd @ClausonCaroline]

@douglaswils I found this analysis of Wilson’s somewhat reasonable until he said some wives LIKE the leverage they gain from their husbands’ lusting after other women. What wife is Machiavellian enough for that “advantage” to overshadow the painful betrayal of his love and loyalty for her?

[Allie Beth Stuckey @conservmillen]

“You cannot win people to the cross by affirming the sins Christ died for.” - Rosaria Butterfield regarding LGBT-soft Christians. The same is true for those who celebrate crassness, vitriol, brutality, arrogance, slander, etc. This is not a strategy for winning young men to Christ. It’s a strategy for winning them to paganism, which leads to hell

[Peter @peterpeccavi]

Two “pastors” (Joel Webbon and Eric Conn) who both fled submission to church discipline now fancy themselves gatekeepers of “biblical order.” Both are “elders” of independent ecclesiologies, both unaccountable, both demanding silence from regenerate women in the public square; calling it “the feminist longhouse.”

Except, the Reformed and Puritan tradition standing on Scripture alone, is full of godly women in history who taught, reasoned, and even publicly called men (yes, men) and women to repentance in the civil sphere without trespassing into ecclesial office.

None of these women were feminist, or liberal:

Anne Askew preached Christ openly in London, reasoning with clergy and nobles alike before her martyrdom under Henry VIII. She was examined for proclaiming justification by faith in marketplaces and courts, refusing to recant even under torture.

Mary Dentière stood in Geneva’s streets, exhorting both men and women to turn to the Scriptures rather than papal superstition. Her Epistle to Marguerite of Navarre defended women’s right to proclaim the gospel and rebuked Rome’s silencing of them. Calvin encouraged and commended her.

Marie Durand exhorted fellow prisoners and visitors from her cell in the Tour de Constance, preaching repentance and perseverance to those who came to see “the heretics.”

Lady Jane Grey, though young, contended publicly before Catholic clergy, preaching the gospel with clarity before her execution.

Katherine Parr used her royal platform to publicly confess the gospel, teaching repentance and faith in Christ through her published works and public readings.

Anne Bradstreet, Elizabeth Bunyan, Lucy Hutchinson, and Elizabeth Singer Rowe wrote devotional and theological works circulated for the edification of homes and parishes; written sermons in essence, they preached through the pen.

Susanna Spurgeon and Sarah Edwards conducted public charity, exhorting ministers and laypeople alike toward holiness and devotion, often in open gatherings or correspondence widely read across their communities. Susanna Spurgeon publicly defended truth alongside Charles in the Downgrade Controversy against liberalism and Darwinism.

Katharina von Bora, (Luther’s wife) led hymnals, catechized children, exhorted students and preachers (yes, men), and organized psalm singing that served as public confession of faith in Reformation Wittenberg. I guarantee you sing her hymns on the Lord’s Day, especially during Reformation Month.

These women preached repentance, reasoned publicly, and contended for truth within their lawful sphere; never ecclesially, always faithfully.

The same men who reject ecclesial authority now wish to muzzle the covenant daughters of Christ, their King; as supposed administers of ecclesial authority.

Though all shepherds are male, a shepherd isn’t a shepherd just because he is male; he may also very well be a wolf. Rebellion dressed as patriarchy is still rebellion. And Christ hates it.

[Peter Leithart @PLeithart]

Grant that the men of Deborah's time are flawed. Grant that Barak's hesitation shows a lack of ready obedience, faith, and courage. Grant that Israel has become a female-headed household (Judg 4).

Still: emphasizing male failure misses the point of Judg 4, which instead highlights feminine courage, cunning, and strength.

When we make the story about Barak, we miss the fact that the story elevates women as "battle-mates" ('ezer, "helper," Gen 2; see my Glory of Man).

Deborah and Jael aren't bizarre exceptions to femininity. As new Eves, they exemplify femininity.

We should preach Judg 4 the way Deborah sings the episode in Judg 5: celebrating Barak's battlefield success (vv. 12, 15), Deborah's maternal leadership (vv. 7, 12), and Jael's victory, which makes her most blessed among women, a proto-Mary (vv. 24-27).

[Carrie Kidd @ClausonCaroline]

@troglobyte1 @rightresponsem Webbon’s post here is particularly alluding to Allie Beth Stuckey speaking at Louisiana State University as part of a Turning Point USA tour. If you call this “the pulpit,” you don’t have a very high respect for the church.

[Carrie Kidd @ClausonCaroline]

@zoomerwife @rightresponsem Webbon didn’t add the exception that women shouldn’t lecture a man “unless another man is present.” He said “never.” After all, “any exception is feminism.” Don’t you just hate it when the Scriptures commend “feminists”?!

[John Barach @John_Barach]

@haymes_joshua To be even clearer, in the Bible the term "patriarch" does not ever refer to a man's relationship to his wife. It refers only to a man's relationship to his offspring (andin the Bible only to the forefathers of Israel and to David).

You can't be "patriarch" of your wife.

[Michael Louis Thomas Sartori @MichaelLouisTh1]

She is 100% correct about this. Many Christian pastors have adopted a Freudian view of insatiable male sexuality with little thought, and reinforced those views in their teachings to other men.

While I believe that the normativity of marriage needs to be affirmed, and encouraged, men should not be approaching marriage as a means of kicking their addictions. It is poisonous to bring a corrupted imagination into the marriage bed, and even worse to heap blame on their wives, many of whom receive a completely antithetical teachings regarding sex.

Men are told that sex is so powerful that they can’t be held responsible for their actions. Women are told that sex and desire are dirty and wicked.

Then suddenly they get married, and the woman is supposed to fulfill his pornographic expectations at the drop of a hat.

Men need to have self control, even beyond the wedding night. Men don’t have a right to sex, they need to earn it. To take advantage of a woman that has been taught to submit is just that- taking advantage of a woman.

Husbands without self-control may have a hard time sparking desire in their wives. If they can’t earn her affection honestly, they are not really men.

[Mama Bear ✝️🌷☕️ @BeanMimosa]

Yesterday it was the longhouse.

Today is is the church ladies.

“It is your fault, God… it is the women you gave us.”

[Josiah Hawthorne @JosiahHawthorne]

I swear so many of these patriarchy-types do not like women at ALL, and that's why they're into patriarchy.

[Carrie Kidd @ClausonCaroline]

@Vicar1973 Read “The Mad Farmer in the City” by Wendell Berry (and “The Unsettling of America” by him as well)

[Carrie Kidd @ClausonCaroline]

@Vicar1973 Men has been more concretely inventive, but their corresponding weakness has been an explicitly unpoetic and indiscriminate prioritizing of efficiency that has fragmented the created order (eg. disposable diapers delay potty training, cars destroyed walkable cities, “safe” milk).