DaveFrame

Dave Frame.
Climate researcher, bookworm, cricket tragic. Mildly parochial South Islander.

[DaveFrame @ClimateFramo]

@actparty Sorry to hear about the health challenges. Best of luck.

And thanks for engaging on climate change policy issues.

[DaveFrame @ClimateFramo]

@RogerPielkeJr @atrembath I quite like that one.

[DaveFrame @ClimateFramo]

@RogerPielkeJr @atrembath In any case, my main objection was to Alex's post that the scientists behind net zero were degrowthers. As a general statement this is false. (Some, like Malte Meinshausen, might be, but *in general* we weren't.)

[DaveFrame @ClimateFramo]

@RogerPielkeJr @atrembath ... I'm pro-growth, non-Malthusian (i.e. normal) - yet I'm a (former) IPCC author, and would like to see (but don't expect) steep cuts in emissions by mid-century. So where do I fit on your diagram?

[DaveFrame @ClimateFramo]

@atrembath This is not true.
I was one of the people who was on the ground floor of "net zero" targets* - and neither Myles Allen nor I (nor afaik the originals working on cumulative emissions/net zero) are or were degrowthers.
* https://t.co/SYA1u8L0Dw

[DaveFrame @ClimateFramo]

@JosephMooneyMP @REasther And I remember the paper because I saw it at the time.

[DaveFrame @ClimateFramo]

Disappointing Maureen Pugh circa-2023 vibes from @JosephMooneyMP
In the past decade National has done a pretty good job of following the evidence on anthropogenic climate change. Backbenchers should keep up
The real state of climate change science is at:
https://t.co/rMu6tN0E1f

[Joseph Mooney MP @JosephMooneyMP]

Which of the following statements are true about the scientific consensus on anthropogenic global warming (“AGW”)?

[DaveFrame @ClimateFramo]

@JosephMooneyMP @REasther As I have said *twice* now - here is my reply.
Stop pretending that I haven't replied.

https://t.co/hEAlu94mrs

[DaveFrame @ClimateFramo]

@JosephMooneyMP I still have to fill in gaps in what you mean, because as others have noted your question isn't grammatically very sensible, but I presume you mean "66.4% of abstracts expressed no position on AGW" because this is the gotcha point that climate skeptics try to make... 1/

[DaveFrame @ClimateFramo]

@JosephMooneyMP See my earlier response to your question here:
https://t.co/hEAlu94mrs

[DaveFrame @ClimateFramo]

@JosephMooneyMP I still have to fill in gaps in what you mean, because as others have noted your question isn't grammatically very sensible, but I presume you mean "66.4% of abstracts expressed no position on AGW" because this is the gotcha point that climate skeptics try to make... 1/

[DaveFrame @ClimateFramo]

@JosephMooneyMP @REasther Well I hope it's not the *last* southern beer.
That would be truly a catastrophe.

(Though as I write I'm finding solace in a Cassel's Woolston Pale Ale - a bit northern, maybe - could you recommend some Southland pale ales or pilsners?)

[DaveFrame @ClimateFramo]

@JosephMooneyMP ... and the data that have come along since has also confirmed the basic hypothesis scientists have had since the 19th century - that some gases trap infrared radiation, and that this has the effect of heating up the gas. There are feedbacks that amplify this a bit on Earth.

[DaveFrame @ClimateFramo]

@JosephMooneyMP ... scientific veracity is established by counting votes or finding out what the cool kids think or whatever. In the paper I linked, we looked at how the IPCC 1990 "prediction" fared, vs the skeptics prediction of "no change" - others have written similar papers to ours. /5

[DaveFrame @ClimateFramo]

@REasther @JosephMooneyMP 🥹

[DaveFrame @ClimateFramo]

@JosephMooneyMP What is clear, though, is that "human influence on the climate system is clear", in the words of the excellent Thomas Stocker.
It has been so for all of this century - as Daithi Stone and I (among many others) pointed out a while back.
https://t.co/X0h3NQUjJO

[DaveFrame @ClimateFramo]

@JosephMooneyMP No - because the question was under-determined.
It wasn't clear whose opinions we were being asked about. If it was climate scientists (~scientists who have written maybe 5 or more papers on the topic) then the answer would be more like ~98%. But I didn't find the question clear

[DaveFrame @ClimateFramo]

@REasther @JosephMooneyMP Thanks.
Appreciate your thoroughly appropriate words about Southland, too. If @JosephMooneyMP was MP of a less important part of the country I might have been less troubled.