You can obtain a Master's Degree in a field, and people will applaud you. However, every field contains so much information that it is impossible to truly master it in one lifetime. You can be a master in comparison to other men, yet you can never truly be a Master. The title is a fraud. We are all retards.
@TannedHotand@MerlinsZorp@NateBornAgain It's pretty ironic that he's calling people retarded when he can't even spell the word correctly... Also my pinned post I am literally saying I'm a retard. Try again.
@bo_gr17028@Fearless__Truth Depends which patristic we are talking about. If he were a Pope, then he would have the ability to speak infallibly only ex cathedra.
@bo_gr17028@Fearless__Truth There's a big difference between receiving the phronema of the Church from the Church Fathers and "obeying" as if they were infallible.
The Church Fathers aren’t adding to scripture. They’re explaining how it ought to be interpreted and have a direct line from the first Christians.
But yeah dude God allowed the Church to be wrong for 1500 years and only allowed Christianity to become true under Martin Luther.
Let’s be fucking real 💀💀💀
When you don’t have the original interpretation of the text you get retards like this who don’t even have the basic understanding of how the Greek words were understood in the context of the time it was written.
Keep following 1500 year old heresies bro 💀
The word for brother that is being translated here is (ἀδελφὸν/adelphos - brother) it can be used to mean literal brother of the same womb, however, in Greek literature and the New Testament, it is commonly used to refer to cousins, kinsman, or close relative.
Both Catholic and Eastern Orthodox theology and sacred tradition hold that Mary is a perpetual virgin, meaning she was a virgin before the birth of Christ, during the pregnancy with Christ, after Christ was born, and for the rest of her life. This is a non-negotiable belief in both the Eastern and Western churches I mentioned above. This belief is not only rooted in scripture, but also in tradition, and the consistent teachings of the Church Fathers.
We also teach that Mary is the New Ark of the Covenant. Since Mary is the New Ark of the Covenant, if we read Ezekiel 44:2 it is clear that this is the prophecy on Mary’s perpetual virginity. This belief was taught by various Church Fathers including but not limited to St. Ambrose, St. Augustine, St. Jerome, etc.
“And he said to me, “This gate shall remain shut; it shall not be opened, and no one shall enter by it; for the Lord, the God of Israel, has entered by it; therefore it shall remain shut.” Ezekiel 44:2 RSVCE
It is clear here that the Lord passes through, leaving the gate sealed. Similarly, how the womb of Mary was sealed (virginity), and the Lord passed through the womb of Mary leaving it sealed (maintaining her virginity post Christ’s birth).
Josephus was using the word adelphos to simply mean a close kinsman / cousin of Jesus, rather than to define a biological blood brother of Jesus.
EO Belief:
The most popular teaching by the Eastern Orthodox is that St. James Adelphotheos (the Brother of God) was the son of St. Joseph before he was betrothed to the Holy Theotokos (Mother of God). The Orthodox tradition teaches that Joseph also had other sons with his first wife three other sons with his first including St. James Adelphotheos, St. Joseph Barsabbas, St. Simeon of Jerusalem, and St. Jude. These make up the Adelphotheoi (Brothers of the Lord), however the title Adelphotheos is typically only applied to St. James Adelphotheos.
“The Holy Apostle James, the Brother of God (Adelphótheos) was the son of the Righteous Joseph before he was betrothed to the Most Holy Theotokos. Tradition says that Joseph had other sons with his first wife. Thus, James was called the Lord's brother. Saint James had been a Nazirite, a man or woman consecrated to God for a limited time. During the period of consecration the Nazirites vowed to abstain from wine and other intoxicating beverages, they could not cut their hair, and all contact with a corpse was forbidden (Numbers 6:1-21)."
This would fit the description of John 19:25 RSVCE, “So the soldiers did this. But standing by the cross were his mother, and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Mag’dalene.
You can then cross reference this to Matthew 27:56 RSVCE, “among whom were Mary Mag′dalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of the sons of Zeb′edee.”
Sister (Greek: adelphē) can also refer to a close relative or sister-in-law, not necessarily a blood sibling.
Roman Catholic Belief:
Mary of Clopas is the sister-in-law of the Virgin Mary. Clopas was the brother of St. Joseph the Betrothed. Mary of Clopas was married to Joseph’s brother, making her the Virgin Mary’s sister-in-law, which explains why the word “sister” (adelphē) is used in John 19:25. The “brothers” of Jesus (James, Joseph, Simon, and Jude) mentioned in the Gospels are believed to be first cousins of Jesus, because they are the children of Mary of Clopas and Clopas.
“Against this doctrine the objection is sometimes raised that the Bible mentions brothers and sisters of Jesus. The Church has always understood these passages as not referring to other children of the Virgin Mary. In fact James and Joseph, “brothers of Jesus,” are the sons of another Mary, a disciple of Christ, whom St. Matthew significantly calls “the other Mary.” They are close relations of Jesus, according to an Old Testament
expression.” (CCC 500)
Both beliefs are acceptable because they agree that Mary was not a blood-sister’s, but close-kinship (adelphē) with Mary of Clopas, Clopas’ linkage to Joseph’s family, and the “brothers” (adelphos) is being used to define (cousins or step-relatives).
In conclusion, whether you lean more towards the step-brother or cousin interpretation, the historic Christian understanding is that these “brothers” are not to be interpreted as the biological sons of the ever virgin Mary Mother of God.
In regard to the Sacred Tradition and Theology that has been passed down to us by the Church Fathers, we can infer that when Josephus used the word “brother” adelphos was either to mean step-brother, cousin, or close kinsman/relation.
"Be assured that any one wishing to pull down an image erected out of pure zeal for the glory and enduring memory of Christ, or of His holy Mother, or any of the saints, to put the devil and his satellites to shame,--anyone, I say, refusing to honour and worship this image as sacred--it is not to be worshipped as God--is an enemy of Christ, of His blessed Mother, and of the saints, and is an advocate of the devil and his crew, showing grief by his conduct that the saints are honoured and glorified, and the devil put to shame."
-St. John of Damascus
I am a Roman Catholic who was recently introduced to the Eastern Orthodox faith by one of my close friends. This has sparked a flame in my heart for studying the different beliefs held by both Churches, and to continually grow in communion with the Lord, and to allow him to truly reveal Himself to me.
After gaining a very basic understanding of EO's view on Patristic theology, this has made me fall in love with the Church Fathers and their teachings. I hold both Churches close to my heart; however, I believe that I hold some Eastern Orthodox views so strongly that my research may ultimately make me choose between Eastern Orthodoxy and Catholicism.
Pray for me as I discern. I’ll be praying for you all as well.
Philippians 2:10-11 RSVCE
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
AVE CHRISTUS REX