IllSarto

Better than average, easily forgettable.

[IllSarto @Cosmic_Surgeon]

@Bar_tolmi Over 350 examples of chiasmus in the book of Mormon.

I can hardly wait for your idiotic response.

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@oldstatemark @mcspockly0 @KimIversenShow You and I both know what you said, and you've said it multiple times in the same context. I seriously can't believe what a coward you're being.

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You HEAVILY implied it, repeatedly. You know what you were insinuating. Why are you back pedaling now? Are you really such a bitch? I got so many people to vote for you. My FB profile picture was your campaign poster for 3 months. Now, I find out you're a spineless coward? Fuck you.

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@oldstatemark @KimIversenShow You couldn't just stfu about Mormons. You had to call them a secret society. Fuck you. I'm out.

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@dingustheding1 @azuritian @TXpatriotpete @KelseaJ112 Hey! Where'd your goal post go?

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"You aren't a Christian if you don't accept the Trinity."

The history of that statement is quite shocking, and almost nobody who says it knows that acceptance of the doctrine of the Trinity was once enforced by exile, fire, and death.

Here is what happened.

For the first 300 years after Jesus, Christians did not agree on how He related to God the Father. They argued about it constantly. There was no official rule. That was just normal.

Then a priest named Arius said the Son came from the Father and was beneath Him. Not equal. Not eternal. A lot of Christians agreed with him. A lot. This was not some fringe group. For stretches of the next century, his side was winning.

Other Christians said the opposite. The Son was fully God, equal to the Father, no beginning. Two camps, same Bible, opposite conclusions.

The fighting got bad. Riots. Mobs in the streets. Christians brawling over the nature of God.

So the Roman emperor stepped in. Constantine. He had just won a civil war and he wanted his empire to stop fighting. He was not even baptized. He did not care about the theology. He cared about order.

In the year 325 he called the bishops to a town called Nicaea. He paid for it. He ran the meeting himself. And they voted. They ruled that the Son was equal to the Father, fully God, one substance with Him. That ruling is the core of the Trinity. It got settled in that room, by that vote, on one word that is not even in the Bible.

They wrote the ruling into an official statement of belief. A creed. Every bishop was expected to sign it.

That is the part people think is the story. It isn't. The shocking part is how they made everyone accept it.

Constantine made the bishops sign the creed. The few who refused, he banished.

Then he ordered every book Arius ever wrote to be burned.

Then he made a law. If you were caught hiding one of those books, you were put to death.

Even after all of that, the Trinity did not win for good.

A few years later Constantine changed his mind. He brought Arius back. And he exiled Athanasius, the bishop who had won the argument at Nicaea. That man got banished five separate times in his life for believing the thing the church now says you have to believe.

For the next fifty years it flipped back and forth. One emperor said Trinity. The next said no. Whoever sat on the throne decided what was true. The official belief about God changed every time power changed hands.

It finally got locked in by another emperor named Theodosius. He made the Trinity the law of the empire. Disagree, and you were a heretic. Not in some spiritual sense. By law. Backed by soldiers.

A few years after that, the empire executed a bishop for his beliefs. The first time the state put a Christian to death over doctrine. It would not be the last.

Then came the document that says it out loud. A creed written around the year 500. Almost five centuries after Jesus. They named it after Athanasius, that same bishop. He did not even write it. They put his name on it for the authority.

It opens by declaring that anyone who does not hold the Trinity, whole and complete, will perish forever. Believe it or be damned. Put in writing, and made the test of who gets saved.

So that is where the line comes from. Not from Jesus. Not from the apostles. From emperors and councils who needed a divided empire to fall in line.

The Trinity did not become the rule because the argument was settled. It became the rule because the side that held it had the throne, the law, and the sword.

The next time someone says you aren't a Christian unless you accept the Trinity, remember what it took to make that rule stick. Exile. Fire. And death.

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@rexthundercock @Sola_GPT @grok Great response, idiot.

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When Constantine pressures you with the threat of exile to agree with the trinity and the creeds, you agree with the trinity and the creeds.

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@JennMGreenberg When Constantine pressures you with the threat of exile, you vote for the trinity and the creeds.

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@rexthundercock @Sola_GPT @grok is there any evidence that Joeseph smith was intimate with any under age girls?

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@brian_lenney @DarrellOyl52892 @BasedMikeLee @Manhattva @grok They entire new testament was written after proverbs 30:5-6. So, the new testament was AN ADDITION to God's current words. The new testament has the exact same problem that you're saying the book of mormon has.

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@ShinarSquirrel https://t.co/X53EZEuuRT

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@LowerLeavell That's a really long post to say absolutely nothing.

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"J. Golden Kimball was riding on a stagecoach somewhere in Missouri. A group of men were riding along with him, and they began to complain about the Mormons. One man said he hated the Mormons with a passion, thus he was going to Texas to get away from them. Another man said he was going to Kentucky to get away from the Mormons. And finally, a third man said he was going to Boston to get away from all the “blank” Mormons. J. Golden Kimball then said, “You can all just go to hell because there won’t be any Mormons there.”

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@DarrellOyl52892 @brian_lenney @BasedMikeLee @Manhattva @grok when was proverbs 30:5-6 written in relation to the books of the new testament?

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@brian_lenney @BasedMikeLee @Manhattva Did you even read the post you're responding to?

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@lippyent "Shared custody"

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@WarOfFreedom @Stormi_luv @grok is this true?

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@Jeff_Nowak Anything to get you to shut up about AK.