Wow, you are genuinely stupid. It doesn't matter howmay people own how many shares. The fact is that most people are both shareholders and wage earners.
This matters because you seem to believe that the shareholders in Nazi Germany were using the Nazis to force workers to work.
Which is just a fucking insane statement to make right off the bat. But it's also logically contradictory by your own premises.
@R3mus16@krishixhyas@hasanthehun Most shareholders don't either you retard. Most shareholders rely on a salary to provide for their day to day expenses. What the fuck is "day to day wealth" anyway.
You really are a Marxist. You genuinely do not have the capacity to reason through what you think.
@R3mus16@krishixhyas@hasanthehun I am deeply familiar with class consciousness. It's a deeply retarded pseudo science.
You end up having to defend insane positions like "worker and shareholder are mutually exclusive."
@R3mus16@krishixhyas@hasanthehun Right, if a German worker owned shares in his factory, he was paying the Nazi party to point a gun at himself.
Totally makes sense. You really educated me here.
@R3mus16@krishixhyas@hasanthehun So the shareholders were pointing guns at themselves. Or I guess by your logic they were leveraging their capital to force the Nazis to point guns at themselves.
You're actually a genius.
@R3mus16@krishixhyas@hasanthehun No, they objectively didn't. You cant claim that shareholders had control when they had a gun to their head. That is again, the opposite of capitalism.
@R3mus16@krishixhyas@hasanthehun By YOUR definition, capitalism is shareholder control. If the state forces shareholders to run a centrally planned economy via state mandates under threat of death, the shareholders have ZERO control.
@R3mus16@krishixhyas@hasanthehun Are you actually illiterate? I’m not even arguing about a "free market."
I'm using YOUR definition: "control of capital by shareholders."
@R3mus16@krishixhyas@hasanthehun "Why would they give away state control?"
That's LITERALLY the point you moron. They didn't.
They told the "owners" what to make under threat of a concentration camp. That's the opposite of a free market.
@R3mus16@krishixhyas@hasanthehun Coping so hard you’re using 90-year-old Nazi propaganda.
I'll restate my previous point.
It's not magically privatized because the state called the centrally planned economy privatized.
@R3mus16@krishixhyas@hasanthehun I know exactly what capitalism is. You just defined it as 'the control of capital and the means of production by shareholders.'
My entire point is that by YOUR OWN definition, fascism is not capitalism.
@R3mus16@krishixhyas@hasanthehun are you actually stupid? A slave with a piece of paper from the gov that says "you arent a slave" is still a slave.
Do you genuinely think ownership under facism is the same as ownership in a free market?
Do you think a free market and central planning are exactly the same?