@KennethOrtiz Their are smart people on both sides of this argument. It is silly to reduce the reformed position to "you can't surely believe that 500 year old theological innovation" from a Baptist perspective, especially in light of Baptist embrace of dispensationalism, revivalism, etc.
@KennethOrtiz I am a Baptist myself, I just don’t strawman the reformed position. Infant baptism is mentioned in late 2nd century. Credo only is an argument from silence for that time period. Tertullian arguing for delaying baptism isn’t an argument for Baptist practice.
@KennethOrtiz@mdvirgilio Covenant theology as a system is reformation era but we have early church fathers connecting baptism and circumcision in the 2nd century.
Regardless, Baptist theology, whatever stream you want to pick, is newer and more novel than the reformed and their theology.
@KennethOrtiz@mdvirgilio Secondly, I’ll say it again, the idea of credo only baptism did not exist before the 1500s
I haven’t used any Catholic medieval arguments, only noted the obvious reason that no one argued household baptisms is because there was no one to argue against. Paedobaptism was the rule
@KennethOrtiz@mdvirgilio You don’t get to argue for credobaptists, you have to argue for credo only in a non-regenerative context. Those don’t exist in the 2nd and 3rd centuries. Nearly all streams of Christianity affirm credobaptism for adults.
@KennethOrtiz@mdvirgilio Maybe because infant baptism was the default position of pre-anabaptist Christendom and so there was no argument to make? Why is it that no one before the 1500s made the credo only argument? Early writings on delaying baptism in a regenerative context do not count.
@logos_asarkos@OzarksJon Do the non-elect who are regenerate have any hope of perseverance to the end? or will the non-elect, though having grace for a time, all ultimately apostatize?
@holyrollingstar@DarthHarryson Not every credobaptist church emphasizes membership (or in the case of non-denoms, many don't even have membership). The emphasis that I see primarily in Baptist world is 1) Act of obedience. 2) Profession of faith.
So baptism is a work, something done by man for God.