If it were true that the only acceptable punishment for murder was death for the murderer, then would you not agree that David should have faced the death penalty, whether by someone deposing him and sentencing him to death, or by some other means? I claim that Genesis 9:6 doesn't mean that the death penalty is forever the only acceptable punishment for murder.
I’m not claiming the death penalty is inherently immoral, but as someone who believes in papal authority, I support abolishing the death penalty today. If one believes that Genesis 9:6 mandates the death penalty for murder, does Genesis 9:4 still ban eating meat with blood today? Did God spare David’s life after the Uriah thing? Perhaps it would be better to read Genesis 9:6 and Genesis 9:4 as temporary things which could at least partially cease to apply to societies in cases of development in prisons and medicine and food science.
@McJuggerNuggets This is like if someone publicly posted, "I raped a baby and then strangled it, and then beheaded it. It was ugly and disabled, so who gives a shit? Anyway, love you all ❤️❤️"
@EqualProtectGA Roman Catholicism supports banning murder of the unborn for everyone. Kristan Hawkins has been a bad representative of Roman Catholicism. See 2270-2275.
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What if a vast majority of more recent theologians supports one position, but St. Thomas and St. Augustine support a contradictory position, and the magisterium doesn’t contradict either of them? This might be the case regarding NFP. If sex can only be done without sin for offspring and/or to pay the debt, one could argue that both spouses, if they both hated the procreative end, could, in principle, do the marital act to relieve the other’s concupiscence, but also never do the marital act without good reason to believe the other had a sufficient amount of concupiscence to relieve. If many people say that St. Augustine was influenced by Manichaeans and hated sex because he fornicated and St. Thomas didn’t know anything about sex except what he learned from St. Augustine or similar things, I don’t have a problem with people going with St. Thomas and St. Augustine against popular opinion, if the Catholic Church permits them to do so.
If you believe that abortion can be abolished by executive order, would you not say that that should apply retroactively? An executive order is not a law change, and can’t be an ex post facto law. If an executive decided to not prosecute people for speeding despite there being a law against speeding, and then a new executive got into office, it would not be an ex post facto law if the new executive made an executive order directing prosecution of speeders who violated the law, if any, in the previous executive’s reign.
@LostLarry1@docskop If a “treatment” includes murdering a baby who is alive despite water breaking very early whatever, that “treatment” should not be done and it should not be allowed.
I don’t know to what extent we disagree on this. The quoted post in the OP is, unless I’m wrong, about a case in which there was a problem with premature amniotic sac rupture or whatever and the baby was still alive as evidenced by a heartbeat, and supposedly this situation was called miscarrying or a miscarriage, and people would support taking out a living baby prior to viability, or killing the baby and taking out the baby’s body. I oppose that.
Regarding the thing you posted, that was a different thing, in which doctors got punished for several things, none of which were a refusal to take out a living baby, prior to viability, from the mother’s womb, correct?