@valtikh Dear goytard, the centre and only main centre of Rus' was Kyiv, not Moscow or anything else. Russia started from Moscow, not Kyiv. Moscow was built by Yuri Dolgorukyi, Kyivan prince.
@efwfcfrc@8EyedEel@onligrikdefne It's late and I'm tired. Anyway, I never said Russia isn’t Rus’. My point is it’s not the only heir. Lithuania, Galicia-Volhynia and Moscow were all Rus’ successors. That’s literally “shared heritage”.
@efwfcfrc@8EyedEel@onligrikdefne Galicia-Volhynia was an independent Rus’ kingdom, and the Lithuania was mostly a Rus’ state. Moscow never ruled Kyiv before, so it’s conquest, not “reconquest”. Conquering a land doesn’t make you its only heir.
@8EyedEel@onligrikdefne I was wrong here. Moscow existed before the Mongols, was ruled by Rurikids, and was part of Rus’. My actual point is just that Russia isn’t the only heir of Rus’ Ukraine and Belarus are too. I was a bit shitfaced yesterday so please dont take my original reply too seriously.
@efwfcfrc@8EyedEel@onligrikdefne Fair point, capitals do move. The thing is with the claim that Russia is the only heir. Kyiv and most of Rus’ were outside Moscow’s control for centuries, so Ukraine and Belarus have just as much claim to it. Shared heritage, not exclusive.
@efwfcfrc@8EyedEel@onligrikdefne Thats not what i meant. I meant that Russia is not the main heir of Rus' as in their historical narrative. The Kyiv was the center of the power, which makes Ukraine the true heir of Rus', unlike Russia today. Thats why I think OP wants to change its name i guess.
@LapisLumos@8EyedEel@onligrikdefne Я о том что как бы главным приемником Руси Россия не считается, так как центр был в Киеве и по сути Украина является главным приемником Руси а не Россия так как Москва не являлась центром. Из за этого наверное хочет ОП изменить название?
@IwakuraLai90063@8EyedEel@onligrikdefne Засыпал вечером, поэтому хуего написал.
Я о том что как бы главным приемником Руси Россия не считается, так как центр был в Киеве и по сути Украина является главным приемником Руси а не Россия так как Москва не являлась центром. Из за этого наверное хочет ОП изменить название?
@onligrikdefne I doubt it would change a thing from their rethoric lol.
Anyway we got other states like Romania which larps as Rome so i dont think it really matters.