@Mrstread_naught@WhiteBabyFac Your view of freedom is inconsistent with how society functions. We compel education, jury duty, taxation, and, in some countries, military service. Even your preferred "incentives" impose a relative cost on those who don't receive them.
@Mrstread_naught@WhiteBabyFac Because you think it is ridiculous doesnt mean it is.
Having children is an obligation we all have to society, which is inpart ordered by the state.
If people choose to forgo that obligation it is reasonable they be penalized.
There is nothing inherently unjust about it.
@Mrstread_naught@WhiteBabyFac There are historical and modern roadmaps, and no more outrageous than many existing laws (conscription, consumption taxes). If birthrates cause national concern, taxes or premiums could be implemented to support an aging demographic and incentivize people to have more children
@Mrstread_naught@WhiteBabyFac Whether its a fine or a tax on behavior the outcome is social modification, with punantive actions for non compliance.
Whether it is successful or not is debateable.
This isnt something new and outrageous.. its been around for a very long time, in North America as well
@Mrstread_naught@WhiteBabyFac I didnt use the term fine. I said punative tax systems. And those countries listed had modern implimentations.
Currently, Germany has a childlessness surcharge on the mandatory public long-term care insurance system. A surcharge since 2005, paid only by people without children
@JHochderffer@__Injaneb96 With rapid changes in AI threatening white collar jobs, high housing costs, lack of cultural similarities with immigrating populations.
All of which contribute to less happy and less socially cohesive society?
Lots of pros.
@JHochderffer@__Injaneb96 Depends what your values are.
In fact, I would say the U.S is in one of the strongest positions to take that stance.
No large federal government pensions to prop up, a relatively high birthrate, free markets to adjust.
I think there are many strong pros to 0% immigration
@Mrstread_naught@WhiteBabyFac Historically and currently many governments have implimented punative tax systems for childless individuals.
As early as the Roman Republic and have included modern implimentation in Finland, Switzerland, Japan.
There have been exemptions for medical and religious grounds
@KarolineGosling If we measure as a spouse cheating once as the same as serial cheating with many partners. I expect women, the opportunity to cheat is more prevelant.
When men do cheat, they are more likely to be serial cheaters. Ones that are attractive to women.