It is so easy demonstrate the fallacious reasoning here.
1. There are plenty of examples of mixed race kids being fully culturally assimilated into many different cultures.
2. If, as you say, mixed race kids are strangers to both cultures then why would you not say that mixed race kids can’t be part of black culture?
3. Think of the number of people who are surprised to find they had a white or black ancestor in DNA testing and yet somehow their race didn’t determine their culture.
You’re missing the point. I’m not talking about whether he will or will not be accepted but whether he is culturally white, whatever that means. If cultures followed were determined by race, as you claim, the surely caucasians would have the same culture wherever they live. This is demonstrably untrue and there are many many examples of adopted children being fully and inextricably part of the host culture.
Besides, you haven’t made any allowance for the fact that most people who describe themselves as black have white ancestors. Many are half Caucasian so where do they sit in the racial deterministic worldview?
We all live in subcultures of the human culture. If cultures followed from race, as people here have argued, then the same race would have the same culture and people from different races couldn’t assimilate to anything other than a ‘black culture’.
I know we find it odd when we see a Caucasian Vietnamese children and somehow think they are less Vietnamese. They are in fact fully culturally Vietnamese with no hint of ‘white culture’ because race doesn’t determine culture.
@TheLHudson@SamLovesEngland Claims of economic growth are almost all bogus. It benefits employers of unskilled workers. It is a disaster. But our own kids need to start reproducing otherwise the economic case will be hard to defeat.
Why is race the issue? Seriously, if a black man, born in London and fought in the British military with distinction has then done great work in his local area by employing people, frequenting the pub, playing in the footy team etc., what has his race got anything to do with anything?
And yet I suppose you think a French bloke who doesn’t speak English and has never been to Britain has more in common with me than my black brother just because we happen to share the same pigmentation. I cannot abide such sloppy, ignorant and lazy prejudice. I wish you lot would actually think about things rather than curry favour with your tribe.
I adore it when people latch onto my age and location and repeat the same old trope as though it reflects on me anything other than I was born at a certain time. Of course it only seeks to show any people passing by how devoid of logic, merit and character those who engage in such cliches are so please keep it coming. It saves me the effort of explaining how you are wrong.
@SenateAgitator@SamLovesEngland And neither did you. You assimilated to it and somehow seem to take pride in achievements that were accomplished by others who shared the same melanin content as you.
If race determines culture then you need to explain why the same race has so many different cultures.
@ManyFoes69420@ottknot@SamLovesEngland Since when were boomers typically non-racist? Are we not the ones typically cast as being the racists? I am delighted that we are shedding that malign characterisation.
Sowell himself has made the point that whites largely managed to escape that past but it is a shared past culture nonetheless. Ironically, there is a movement among white kids to emulate the worst parts of ghetto culture and so the gap is closing to some point. Look at fatherlessness as just one metric,
I would agree with that. Assimilation and is key and it can only happen at a certain rate. We have far exceeded that rate but a positive case for immigration with respect to the host nation still needs to be made irrespective of that. The only case I ever hear made is about how fair it is for the migrants, as though that should be our concern at all.
I don’t disagree with those data at all. My point is that when you remove everyone from black ghetto culture and measure criminality between whites and blacks from Africa and 5he Caribbean, those differences largely disappear.
We see the same correlation but the difference is that you are a racial existentialist and I’m not, for the most part. I think culture within black ghetto households is far more explanatory than race itself.
@fullytyped@StockPile_Bob@SamLovesEngland You really are at your happiest trying to ascribe behaviour to innate characteristics, whether it be race or age. I can understand the comfort and appeal of racism to you. It must be very reassuring that your problems are baked in and you have no power to change,
Indians (particularly Sikhs) are much lower but black immigrants from any country are more likely to get into criminality. The problem with then jumping to the conclusion, based on a correlation, that it is race is that it removes your ability to talk about the cultural changes that are necessary. After all, if you’ve said race is the only thing then why try to do anything about it. And I have news for you, millions of non-white Britons only have a British passport so your idea of ‘sending them back’ is nonsense.
We know from very simple obse4vation that when you change culture you change behaviour
You’re grasping at straws now.
If culture is created by race, how do you explain the same culture shared by races and races producing so many different cultures. Compare Swedes and the Irish.
There are undoubtedly differences with race, colour being the most obvious. IQ is possibly another, but we aren’t allowed to talk about that unless we are acknowledging how much more intelligent the Chinese and Ashkenazi Jews are than whites. You see, if we are going to draw comparisons by race, the rule is that whites always have to be at 5he bottom, otherwise it’s racist.
I would be pretending if I were not to admit that I borrow extensively from the research of Thomas Sowell into this very subject so to save me time and not doing as good a job,
@grok can you explain Sowell’s explanation for perpetuated criminality among ghetto blacks compared to immigrants of the same race? Please tell us whether these sociological find8ngs have been echoed in other research.
So, you’re in America and you have guns? The question has to be what are you doing about it?
I’m curious, by ‘savages’ do you mean 100% black white les savageness ascribed to the individual per white ancestor? Is a kid with a white dad and black mum 50% savage? It must be hard for you to keep up. Do you use a colour chart or just your gut feeling?
@MoonaJoona@SamLovesEngland And where it doesn’t, culture is by far the largest factor in determining behaviour. Compare immigrants from Pakistani vs India. Ghanaian vs Somalia.