Returning hate for hate, only adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Hate can’t drive out darkness, only light can. Love is the light
Using "equality" to justify a drug-facilitated group assault isn’t some deep intellectual point. It’s just a confession that you have absolutely no moral compass.
Biology doesn't care about your twisted definition of gender roles. Ketamine is a heavy dissociative anesthetic that paralyzes the central nervous system. A man dosed with it would be exactly as incapacitated. Acknowledging that a chemically paralyzed human being cannot consent doesn't mean women are "weaker" or held to a "lower standard." It simply means she was biologically stripped of her ability to fight back or consent.
The only difference here is that a pack of men kept their full executive function so they could coordinate an assault, while they chemically robbed her of hers. You conveniently leave out that they planned this. They plotted it in a group chat of 57 predators, specifically targeting girls to exploit. She was not the first girl they assaulted, and they were the ones who provided the ketamine. You are deliberately ignoring the facts, choosing to hide premeditated predation behind a sick, fake version of equality.
But claiming she was "fine with it until she was uninvited" is honestly the most sickening part of your defense. That is a textbook, scientifically documented trauma response. Victims of severe assault often engage in extreme fawning. They will desperately try to stay on good terms with their abusers to convince themselves the horror wasn't real, because the alternative is completely breaking down. When victims are finally cut off, that fragile illusion shatters. They are forced to face the absolute nightmare of what predators actually did to them.
You aren't defending equality. You are weaponizing a traumatized woman's psychological collapse just to protect the men who broke her. You have shown the world exactly who you are.
I truly hope you defend your daughters better in real life. We are done here.
Dear woman, it is with deep pain and profound regret that I accept reality for what it is: morality has abandoned men, and it has been this way for centuries.
Now, hear my voice since yesterday:
What happened to Jane Doe exposes an ugly, undeniable rot in our society's moral backbone. That so many people still rush to defend the perpetrators reveals a sick, predatory culture that reduces human beings to objects of consumption.
Let’s be completely unequivocal: true consent cannot exist under severe intoxication, let alone under the influence of powerful dissociative drugs. Premeditating the sexual exploitation of an impaired person strips away every pretense of human decency. The group chats made their intent undeniable: they targeted her vulnerability, administered ketamine—a clinical anesthetic capable of immobilizing massive animals—and then systematically coordinated to shift the blame onto her to escape accountability.
Hiding behind distorted definitions of "consent" while drugging someone is an act of sheer cowardice. Medically and psychologically, a survivor’s post-assault behavior reflects shock, dissociation, and survival instincts—not compliance. Survivors often need significant time to process and fully comprehend the trauma they endured. Weaponizing that confusion to deflect guilt is a calculated tactic of abuse, and dissecting every word an incapacitated victim said or wrote during that critical window is an act of pure malice. Anyone attempting to rationalize this predation is complicit in shielding monsters from accountability.
Real strength and decency look entirely different.
A decent man does not treat a vulnerable person as prey. He steps up to protect her, ensuring an intoxicated woman gets home safely, shielding her from the predators circling in the dark.
A decent man does not join toxic group chats built on plotting, degrading, and orchestrating the abuse of women.
A decent man does not participate in the gang exploitation of any human being.
A decent man holds himself to a standard of honor, self-control, and moral boundaries. He does not engage in sexual immorality. He does not surrender his conscience to the pack. Anyone with an ounce of decency and a shred of moral fiber refuses to stand with predators. There is no middle ground, no excuse, and no justification. Those who commit these acts, and those who defend them, have abandoned every measure of integrity, conscience, and basic humanity.
@JustaYinzer1@GovKathyHochul A man devoid of morals and dignity resorts to slurs. You are the one who is biased given this tweet. Everyone sees exactly what you're trying to do. It's not going to work
Claiming this all cancels out because the men also took drugs is biologically and legally absurd. The men provided the ketamine. They retained the executive function to plot, communicate, and execute a coordinated group assault. Pretending a pack of calculating predators is medically identical to a victim forced into a dissociative stupor isn't logic. It’s willful ignorance.
And your legal bluff is pathetic. You are trying to lecture a doctor on laws that were explicitly written to reflect medical reality. Under New York Penal Law § 130.00(6), pharmacological incapacitation legally voids consent. If you drug a woman into a stupor, she cannot consent. Your claim otherwise is verifiably, factually false.
You are throwing out false equivalencies and fake expertise just to protect predators. The only thing guiding you is a desperate need to excuse the inexcusable. These men are utterly devoid of morality—and so are you. We are done here.
That isn't love. That’s infatuation.
Love is the most beautiful thing life has to offer. Infatuation is just an illusion. You aren’t in love with them—you just love the way they satisfy your own desires.. It’s a dangerous mirage that leads you down paths that are incredibly hard to find your way back from.
Know the difference.
And don’t trade the beauty of real love for a selfish fantasy.
You finally said the quiet part out loud. After all that posturing about being an objective legal scholar, you just admitted what your entire argument actually boils down to: "Boys will be boys."
And it is incredibly telling that you are now parroting my own words back to me. I am the one who said neither of us was in the room. I stated that to prove that even without firsthand knowledge, the medical facts of pharmacological incapacitation remain absolute. You are trying to weaponize my objectivity to justify your willful blindness. That is textbook intellectual laziness.
Using "boys will be boys" to excuse a drug-facilitated group assault on a woman incapacitated by ketamine isn't an intellectual stance. It’s a confession of complete moral rot.
And for the record, your "reading of the law" is pure fiction. In every civilized jurisdiction, severe pharmacological incapacitation legally voids any possibility of consent. That isn't a "feeling." That is statutory law. You don't understand medicine, and you clearly don't understand the law.
You claim to have a "moral backbone," yet you just spent paragraphs bending over backward to excuse predation, only to retreat behind "I don't give a fuck" the second you are forced to look at the horrifying reality of what you're actually defending. That isn't a backbone. That is cowardice.
You have exposed exactly what kind of man you are. There is nothing left to say to you.
I am an actual medical doctor. Accusing me of being an AI or using AI is extremely weak, especially when you clearly don't understand basic human psychology or how the brain reacts in a crisis.
Pointing to a text message she sent the next day saying "we are all consenting adults" can be a classic trauma response. Fear, shame, and manipulation make it extremely complicated. When a victim wakes up after a drug-facilitated group assault, the brain's common and immediate defense mechanism is extreme denial. She may desperately try to normalize a horrific reality to protect herself from a psychological collapse—especially if she has been manipulated into believing she is completely responsible for everything. Many victims take years to overcome this denial. Most never dare to report a case this severe at all, especially when they know the world, and people exactly like you, will immediately condemn and accuse them.
You forget one terrifying reality: this could be your daughter one day, waking up to a mob of men behaving exactly like you. Or as them.
Neither you nor I know the absolute truth. Neither you nor I were in the room when it happened.
That doesn’t change the fact that their actions demonstrate a complete, predatory lack of basic human morality.
Furthermore, a message sent hours or days later cannot travel back in time. Legal consent requires real-time neurological capacity. This is already ruled out by the substances they provided her. Ketamine is not just some casual party drug; it is a heavy dissociative anesthetic powerful enough to tranquilize horses. Predators weaponize it for one specific reason: to disconnect a woman's brain from her body, rendering her entirely defenseless.
But do you know what the most terrifying thing here is? That you spend all your time and energy looking for loopholes to defend men who exploit drugged women. A woman on ketamine cannot consent. The fact that you are bending over backward to call it anything other than an assault tells me everything I need to know about who you are. We have nothing more to talk about.
Admitting you didn't even read the facts makes total sense, because your entire take completely ignores basic medicine and the law.
Getting drunk or high yourself is never a legal pass to take advantage of someone who is incapacitated. Seven guys managing logistics, texting in group chats, and coordinating encounters clearly have physical and mental agency. A person knocked out by alcohol and a dissociative anesthetic like ketamine physically does not have the brain function to give legal consent. Period.
Bringing up texts sent days later just shows you know zero about how trauma actually works. Fawning, playing nice, and memory blackouts are textbook survival responses when someone’s brain is scrambling to process what just happened. A text message two days later cannot magically create consent that was neurologically impossible at the time.
Twisting a trauma response to excuse a coordinated group assault isn't logic—it's just making excuses for predators.
Taking a substance at a party doesn't hand anyone a legal license to exploit you when your body shuts down.
There is a massive difference between an incapacitated person and active perpetrators. Seven guys coordinating in group chats, managing logistics, and moving a compromised person around are demonstrating active agency and conscious decisions. Being intoxicated yourself is never a legal defense for exploiting someone who lacks the capacity to consent.
Claiming she had "capacity" because she pushed someone away makes zero sense clinically. Under dissociative anesthetics like ketamine mixed with alcohol, consciousness fluctuates, but valid, legal consent is pharmacologically impossible.
This isn't "changing your mind the next day." If someone is medically incapacitated, consent never existed in real time to begin with. Waking up after the drugs clear and realizing what was done to you isn't revoking an agreement—it is the reality of an assault setting in.
I hear you, and honestly, you have every right to feel that way. It’s an undeniable fact that organized religion has spent centuries functioning as a patriarchal system that protects abusers and silences women.
I’m not asking you—or any woman—to buy into a patriarchal hierarchy, follow a church, or fall into that trap.
While I hold my own personal faith, I completely agree with you: it has no business being used as a shield or a requirement here.
My point wasn't about pushing doctrine; it was about basic human conscience. Strip religion and theology completely out of the picture, and the standard stays exactly the same: men have an absolute duty to hold other men accountable, refuse to join the pack, and fiercely protect women’s safety and dignity.
You don’t need a church or a holy book to know that drugging and exploiting someone who cannot defend themselves is sickening. That is basic human decency, and men need to own that responsibility without hiding behind institutions or excuses.
I’m an actual medical doctor.
Calling someone a bot or accusing them of using GPT just because they write clearly and cite medical facts is a dead giveaway that you can’t argue with the actual science.
I deal with trauma, pharmacology, and toxicology in real life. Ketamine is a dissociative anesthetic—it physically shuts down motor control and detaches the brain from reality. That’s not ChatGPT talking; that’s basic pharmacology.
Calling me an AI is just a lazy cop-out so you don’t have to face what you’re actually doing: defending guys who drugged and took advantage of someone who couldn't even stand.
@KevinRattlz9md@RedWavePress Dropping slurs just proves you don't have a single coherent argument left. When you can’t defend predation, insult is all you have. Thanks for conceding the debate.
Being sexually active or outgoing is not consent to be drugged with ketamine and exploited by a pack of men.
An incapacitated person physically and neurologically cannot "rape" seven men who were sober enough to organize logistics, source dissociative sedatives, and coordinate group chats. Pretending the predators were the real victims is an absurd, bad-faith inversion of reality.
Critiquing modern culture doesn't give you a pass to declare a false equivalence. A woman attending a gathering is not on the same moral plane as seven men orchestrating the assault of a defenseless human being. When you excuse drugging and predation as mere "embarrassment," you abandon basic truth and human conscience.
The fact that you think a man only defends human dignity to get laid says everything about your sick, transactional mindset.
And for the record: no, I’m not Jewish. Ethnicity, race, and background mean nothing when it comes to basic human worth—character, integrity, and how you treat people are all that matter.
When you have zero defense for drugging an incapacitated person, all you have left are slurs, projection, and cowardice. You lost the argument the second you had to resort to bigotry to cover for predators.
Claiming that an incapacitated woman on ketamine "raped" seven men who coordinated her assault in a group chat is an absurd, bad-faith inversion of reality.
Drinking alcohol doesn't erase agency. Seven men were sober and conscious enough to run logistics, source a clinical anesthetic, exploit a defenseless person, and coordinate afterwards to cover their tracks.
An incapacitated victim physically cannot overpower, orchestrate, or violate a pack of men. Pretending the predators were the real victims isn't a clever loophole—it's pure cowardice.
There aren't "many facets" to slipping an incapacitated person ketamine and coordinating an assault in group chats.
A trial determines legal sentencing behind bars; it does not require everyday human beings to turn off their eyes, conscience, and moral judgment when clear facts are already documented. Calling out premeditated exploitation isn't "jumping to conclusions"—it's refusing to excuse predation.
Real decency isn't sitting on the fence or citing media pundits to rationalize horrific behavior. Decent men don’t look for loopholes when a vulnerable person is targeted by a pack.
Accepting an invite to hang out is not consent to be drugged and exploited by a pack of men.
Going to a party or being around guys you know only means you agreed to be in the room. It does not hand over your bodily autonomy, and it certainly isn't an open invitation for seven men to take advantage of you.
Trying to paint her as "slutty" to justify what happened is just classic victim-blaming. A woman's social life, past, or willingness to show up gives no one the right to administer ketamine and exploit an incapacitated body. Consent is given in real time, with full consciousness—it is not an open contract granted by walking through a door.
Claiming that facts "don't matter" is just admitting you can’t defend what happened.
Biology and the law are clear: an incapacitated person on ketamine cannot consent in real time, period. Repeating the word "consent" doesn't magically rewrite the reality of a drugged, defenseless human being.
Trying to flip the blame by saying "condemning evil condemns you" is pure cowardice. Calling out premeditated predation isn’t a crime—it’s the bare minimum required to maintain a human conscience.
When you equate an incapacitated victim with a pack of predators and declare that truth "doesn't matter," the only person condemned by their own words is you.