๐๐ก๐ฒ ๐๐ก๐ข๐ฌ ๐๐๐๐๐ญ๐ ๐๐๐ฏ๐๐ซ ๐๐ง๐๐ฌ
If you've been following the endless back-and-forths between Daniel @Haqiqatjou and the likes of @MMetaphysician, @Farid_0v, and @provingislam, you might be wondering why this conversation keeps going in circles.
Itโs not because the issues are complicated. Itโs because Daniel has no interest in resolving them. Let me explain what that means.
Danielโs goal is to flood the discussion, stay vague, and disappear when he's corneredโonly to return later as if nothing happened. And this isnโt just something he does in public, because as Iโll explain below, Iโve seen him do the exact same thing in private discussions.
๐๐จ๐ฐ ๐๐ ๐๐๐๐ฉ๐ฌ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐๐จ๐ง๐๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ข๐จ๐ง ๐๐จ๐ข๐ง๐ :
๐) ๐๐๐๐ฉ ๐๐ฌ๐ค๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐๐๐ฆ๐ ๐๐ฎ๐๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง๐ฌ, ๐๐ฏ๐๐ง ๐๐๐ญ๐๐ซ ๐๐ก๐๐ฒโ๐ฏ๐ ๐๐๐๐ง ๐๐ง๐ฌ๐ฐ๐๐ซ๐๐
Daniel keeps bringing up things that have already been answeredโword for word. Some of these things have been explained to him multiple times, yet he acts like no answer was given and asks again a few days or weeks later.
He does this because he knows most people ๐๐ซ๐๐งโ๐ญ ๐ค๐๐๐ฉ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ญ๐ซ๐๐๐ค. They see him still asking the question and assume that no proper answer was given.
No one is saying that he has to agree with the answers. The issue is that he refuses to honestly engage with them, even when his opponent provides a response that clearly deserves proper consideration.
๐) ๐๐ญ๐๐ฒ ๐๐๐ ๐ฎ๐ ๐๐จ ๐๐ ๐๐๐ง ๐๐ก๐ข๐๐ญ ๐๐จ๐ฌ๐ข๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง๐ฌ
Instead of stating his beliefs clearly, Daniel keeps things just blurry enough to avoid accountability.
Take his stance on istighatha: First he says, "Iโd be 99% sure that it is shirk, but not certain."
This answer makes no sense because heโs confusing two things:
a) The ruling on the act itself (which is either shirk or not).
b) Judging an individual who does the act (which depends on certain factors).
The general question is clearly about the act itselfโbut Daniel keeps giving answers that blur the lines between the two. Then we find out he simply follows the istiqlali position..So why not just say from the start: "I hold the istiqlali view"??
Two reasons:
a) He doesnโt actually understand these categories well enough to articulate his own stance properly.
b) He deliberately keeps things murky so he can change his position depending on the criticism he faces.
What makes this worse is that for months, he kept throwing around the term "shirk" as if he was talking about shirk akbar. But much later, when debating brother Adnan, he finally admitted he only meant shirk asghar.
This is a pattern: Keep things vague, let people assume one thing, and only clarify when he has no choice.
๐) ๐๐ฏ๐๐ฌ๐ข๐ฏ๐ ๐ข๐ง ๐๐ฎ๐๐ฅ๐ข๐ ๐๐ง๐ ๐๐ซ๐ข๐ฏ๐๐ญ๐
This isnโt just something Daniel does in public debatesโitโs exactly how he behaves in private discussions too.
There have been multiple times where he stops replying as soon as he gets a direct, clear answer that decisively responds to one of his criticisms. Then later, he either returns with a completely new topic or responds to something else while pretending the previous point was never made.
And itโs not just meโthis has happened privately with other very reputable individuals too.
This is exactly why I took the discussion public. When Daniel realizes he has no way out, he just disappears and waits for the topic to die down. Then, if it's a public discussion, he usually repeats the same question again as if it were never answered (because he knows no one is keeping track). In private discussions, he'd either move the goalpost to another topic or wait until the other person does.
For Daniel, itโs a game of flood, confuse, evade, and repeat. Exposing this harmful and misleading behavior is necessary, specifically when it comes from someone with so many followers.
@Luqman_255@Sarahahbut@DawahWise@Themostdread@engels_marx5 But if your โGod-given intellectโ is being used to deny what the Quran & Sunnah affirm (that Jesus is alive and will return) then itโs an indication it is not sound intellect
@Luqman_255@DawahWise Heโs absolutely correct. Especially when your so called โlogicโ is not a sound argument and itโs being used to deny clear affirmations in the revelation
@tjs683 @othmanafandy @InspiringPhilos The fact you think that this terrible response morally justifies God ordering the death of INFANTS at all is appalling and what is wrong with Christianity.
Horrifying. Maybe sensible Christians like @InspiringPhilos would use a little more common sense. Do you agree with him?