Van Doek

Pro-gun leftist

[Van Doek @DoekVan]

@OLIVIAJBRYANT @umeprobdupree @rico_rants Why are you going through my post history?

And if I'm an "idiot" so is marx, engels, lenin, and harry haywood, fuck off

[Van Doek @DoekVan]

@umeprobdupree @OLIVIAJBRYANT @rico_rants My ego has nothing to do with upholding a materialist analysis of who does and does not have common interests

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@umeprobdupree @OLIVIAJBRYANT @rico_rants Even though we disagree I'll still see you as a comrade, ultimately when the pigs are out enforcing mccarthyism our disagreements won't matter

I hope that when you see white proletarians unite with black proletarians en masse in practice you'll be willing to change your opinion

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@umeprobdupree @OLIVIAJBRYANT @rico_rants Never in the early 20th century would you see millions of white americans going to a BLM protest, and although that may be the "bare minimum", it's a striking sign of progression, and that's WITHOUT a working class movement or an organized left

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@umeprobdupree @OLIVIAJBRYANT @rico_rants "modern times"?

The divsions between white american and black american proletarians although still very strong, are the lowest they've been since a white and black american proletariat has existed.

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@umeprobdupree @OLIVIAJBRYANT @rico_rants Chapter 2 of communist manifesto bro

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@OLIVIAJBRYANT @umeprobdupree @rico_rants Standpoint epistemology is unscientific and anti-marxist

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@OLIVIAJBRYANT @umeprobdupree @rico_rants Nah I answered every single question, you guys are just lacking in marxist theoretical knowledge

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@umeprobdupree @OLIVIAJBRYANT @rico_rants I'm 100% not wrong on upholding the principles of marxism

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@umeprobdupree @OLIVIAJBRYANT @rico_rants I prefaced that the struggle against white chauvinism is one of the most important struggles marxists in america need to engage in, Idk where that other person in the convo got the idea I deny Black americans are super-exploited, I DON'T, and never implied that

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@umeprobdupree @OLIVIAJBRYANT @rico_rants Could we not use this logic between women workers and men workers?

How much violence have men committed against women?

Is unity between working class men and women now impossible?

Where does this logic stop?

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@OLIVIAJBRYANT @umeprobdupree @rico_rants Why not?

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@OLIVIAJBRYANT @umeprobdupree @rico_rants I literally not once minimized racism, and I support Harry Haywood who made actual marxist analysis of America

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@umeprobdupree @OLIVIAJBRYANT @rico_rants Marx, Engels, and Lenin all explicitly upheld that the workers of the oppressor nation and the oppressed nation have the same interest.

If you haven't, read these parts from Haywood :

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@umeprobdupree @OLIVIAJBRYANT @rico_rants I'm well aware of the arguments, I've read sakai's settlers and am familiar with people like Kwame Turre who thinks white workers are enemies.

The arguments aren't good and they rest on an idealist understanding of history

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@OLIVIAJBRYANT @umeprobdupree @rico_rants Like I said in another thread, if this logic was applied to other things, unity between working class men and working class women would be impossible

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@OLIVIAJBRYANT @umeprobdupree @rico_rants Yeah why not? It's one group of workers using violence and oppression to push down another group of workers

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@umeprobdupree @OLIVIAJBRYANT @rico_rants I'm not painting a rosy idealist picture of white-black worker unity, it won't be easy, and it's not a simple equation, but nothing that's worth fighting for is easy as they say.

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@umeprobdupree @OLIVIAJBRYANT @rico_rants Ofc, I wasn't saying they were perfect, I just said saying white workers have never not betrayed black workers is false, there is a REASON attacking trade unions was such a mainstay of KKK politics

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@umeprobdupree @OLIVIAJBRYANT @rico_rants But using your logic they wouldn't because native-born South Africans consistently engage in both violence and encourage legal discrimination against working class African immigrants

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@umeprobdupree @OLIVIAJBRYANT @rico_rants My point in bringing up the violence against immigrants in South Africa is to say that divisions between workers exist, but South African workers, Zimbabweans workers, Tanzanian workers, etc. etc. all have common interest