@AkumaDuTronc@Supermike1560@MonstrousBami Goku literally teleported to roshi's turtle in the DBS anime, when he missed his 1st mafuba, the same turtle that only had 0.001 of power.
And he also teleported to the animals from 17 island, even after they were already flying away in some way faster than light alien ship.
@XDCsmiley@Freeza123456789 He didn't get ki after absorbing the other 17, trunks literally stated that 17 ki was the same ki as 18's ki.
So GT just randomly gave the earth androids ki, bc 18 already had that, and this is completelly stupid lol
@monterdote@KaiwaiDB Tbm tem um guia afirmando que se broly recobrasse a consciência dele no meio da luta transformado em ssjfp ele com toda certeza venceria o gogeta.
E tem a kefla no manga sendo chamada pela Vados de guerreiro definitivo pq combinava o poder da kale + senso da caulifla
@monterdote@KaiwaiDB Na vdd broly atual tá no auge dele, essa forma controlada é bem mais poderosa que a furiosa dele anterior.
Existe uma entrevista com o toyotaro que foi dito que os 5 estavam nas suas formas mais poderosas e isso n foi negado pelo toyotaro na resposta++
@MRGokuTM@GalacticMj Not just this, but goku's body in MUI just by standing still in the granola arc already nullified granola's "X-Ray" eye, he actually couldn't see through goku anymore.
Before, when goku used blue + UI, he just said his cells/blood flow changed but he could still see it.
@A21starman@DavidSamue19099@OxAbbe Luffy's gum gum space out would be like UI technique only if after luffy activated it, then his haki use also became more refined and that gave him both speed and strength boost.
UI it's not just pure body reaction, it also comes with a ki use improvement as a whole.
@A21starman@DavidSamue19099@OxAbbe And this is also not like UI, because even when UI is used in base it still improves the use of ki a bit, which grants them a boost for both speed and strength depending on the user's mastery.
It was stated in the moro arc that roshi also gets stronger w/ UI not just faster++
@mussi3x@DavidSamue19099 This is like saying the thing that base goku and suppressed jiren casually did in the champa/ToP arcs, which was predicting the exact thing that Hit'd do in the literal future after he stops time, is the same as using some way more broken technique like UI lmao
@RenanRoque Acho que poderia ter um arco com 2 perigos ao msm tempo.
Ex. vem um perigo no universo mortal pro goku, vegeta, piccolo, gohan e broly resolverem
E o dende receberia pedido de ajuda do outro mundo contra o janemba, mas ele só teleportaria goten e trunks que tavam disponíveis.
@RaohShinken83@Nokaminomi If you show him this panel then he'd say this:
"you're not understanding dude, goku for sure had ultra instinct in OGDB, this just happened bc piccolo also had ultra ego in OGDB and DBS just made him unlearn it"
@Dakkai_04@CanalBudokai Acho que toyotaro falou mais no sentido dele n se sentir a vontade de detalhar mais a origem de raças.
Foi na saga granola q foi revelado q os namekujins surgiram em outro reino e isso veio do akira. Talvez no futuro ele tenha menos medo de detalhar mais sobre o passado.
@Dakkai_04@CanalBudokai Na real o tudo relacionado ao granola desde design, origem e poderes foi tudo criação original do toyotaro, o envolvimento do bardock e o ego superior tbm foram criação dele.
O akira fez os sugarjins, a gangue do gas, as esferas e origem dos namekuseijins++
@francesco_fea@xelyuss Roshi didn't know about frieza forms, he came considering the 5 there + buu would need to fight 1st form frieza.
After knowing that buu ain't coming he asks about ultimate gohan, so 1st form frieza already needed buu + ultimate gohan. Base goku alone defeats final form frieza.
@francesco_fea@xelyuss The main scan is base goku punching whis while BoG arc ssj god appears behind him. Meaning that in the manga, after training with whis, his RoF arc base >= his BoG arc ssj god.
Later in DBS CH. 32, the events of the same RoF manga were referenced by toyotaro as part of it++
@francesco_fea@xelyuss Yes, and in the manga the scaling is the exact same lmao, go deal with toyotaro making the entire RoF manga actual events for the DBS manga after Ch. 32.
Any base character that's even with base goku during or after RoF arc can beat all of DBZ characters while suppressed.
@francesco_fea@xelyuss And this is valid for DBS manga bc toyotaro deliberately went and searched for the panel from this old RoF manga he made before just to put as an actual event that happened for the DBS manga (Ch. 32).
So after that, the RoF base form upscaling became part of the manga too.
@francesco_fea@xelyuss The manga literally has the same scaling lol Goku just made his base stronger a bit later instead of adapting during the fight with beerus.
In the manga his base >= BoG ssj god after his 1st training with whis before RoF (same way vegeta made his base stronger in the anime)++
@TyzTheSaiyan Maybe they thought that after each wish the dragon balls stay active but they still separate through namek, instead of being 3 wishes in one round.
So they could get them again right after wishing but only for 3 wishes, after that amount they turn into stones.
@SeventhStarSage Piccolo got 2 forms bc atm the entire point is to make everyone equal, gohan had his ultimate which in ToP became a form with ssj blue multiplier, then piccolo got is ultimate form too (yellow one), after that both piccolo and gohan got their ultra tier forms (orange and beast).
@SeventhStarSage Piccolo tells this in the manga and movie, he said he must've had an awakening like gohan had.
This isn't related to the potential ritual bc he was the one with the idea, this is related to orange form being a hidden power unlocking for piccolo just like gohan does when enraged+