Sabbatical Announcement!
I'm taking a break from streams, but its not a hiatus. I'll still do stream periodically, and do events (vtuber summer slam mainly)
Main reasons:
-I'm property managing for my folks, so they can sell it
-I'm house hunting/buying and this will let me make diverse content
-I'm still doing comms, but I'll also be improving my skills, while finishing debut stuff.
I'll see you guys for sure June 19th!
Sabbatical Announcement!
I'm taking a break from streams, but its not a hiatus. I'll still do stream periodically, and do events (vtuber summer slam mainly)
Main reasons:
-I'm property managing for my folks, so they can sell it
-I'm house hunting/buying and this will let me make diverse content
-I'm still doing comms, but I'll also be improving my skills, while finishing debut stuff.
I'll see you guys for sure June 19th!
@AXwain Sorry, got a little frustrated, but all it good. I just want people, both artist and clients to know the actual laws and protect themselves. There is a lot of misinformation on this topic rn.
@Utuluth Context to anyone reading this far in. Yes, they are legally distinct, not mutually exclusive. Type and ownership are two parts of a copyright. If you’re confused on copyright, give it a read.
https://t.co/g2BZE0vp45
To me it’s similar to licensing, you paid for the mo3, not the cmo3. To me, getting the cmo3 means you intend to change my work in the future. I care how my art is presented and I deserve any compensation for ANYONE profiting off my work.
There are many reasons for this, but I’ll give mine:
-It not just the product I would be giving, but my entire process, if you are handing over my file to someone else to add on to, they get to see my entire process to making my rigs, it’s like seeing how an artist makes the art, what brushes they use, and have all the layers before they get merged. We are valid for protecting our craft if we want to.
-Just like making commission prices proper prices for our time keeps bad clients away, adding a fee for cmo3 makes sure clients take our work seriously and respect us. when I use to make my commission dirt cheap, I had a lot more clients that broke my tos, treated me badly, etc.
-It is my art, my creative expression, I don’t want it to be changed from what I delivered, cuz if my name is attached to that rig and the client messed with it, it doesn’t represent my work properly. This is why it isn’t a default.
-This isn’t the reason I do it, but even if it is just to add-on, it is adding onto our work, someone else besides the client will be profiting off our work and we deserve compensation for this. The license between client and rigger is a one time cost, not a license for the new rigger, this fee is a one time fee to pay for other people to profit of our work, again, we deserve to make profit off our work. I saw someone call us money hungry for this, but we deserve to be fairly compensated, even if it’s vtuber standards and not general artist standards where in other industries, artist charge royalties for each use or for any profits made. Calling us money hungry is just like us calling you broke, let’s not shame the other here.
Riggers if I'm paying you to rig my model that file should also go to me. I PAID FOR IT. it is MY MODEL.
Like what is this industry ? I pay THOUSANDS of dollars to not own the file of my own rigged model ????
@AXwain@Utuluth Clarification for you, it is both, I didn’t mix it up. The final product is both a collective and derivative work. Derivative work is the subject matter(type) of the copyright, collective is the ownership of the copyright
How is it unfair? It’s just the same as an artist copyright, it just saying the added on work is its own and is copyrightable. This is enforceable. It’s not complicated. Idk man, I done trying to explain this, read the law, if your confused, talk to a lawyer. I’m not repeating myself over and over.
@AXwain@Utuluth It wouldn’t be a process, it would be under derivative works. It similar to how video editing is a derivative work, “process” only applies to works of authorship
@AXwain@Utuluth In practice, The owner of the copyright being the customer or company is only the case of it is work for hire or that is in the terms/contract. 201b
@AXwain@Utuluth So every party included in making a model; the client’s idea, the character designer/ref artist, the model artist, the rigger - they all hold rights to their own contribution
@AXwain@Utuluth Actually, in the law, this is defined! It’s called Joint Copyright Ownership, defined in copyright law of the US(Title 17), Chapter 2, like 201c. Each separate contribution to a collective work is a distinct copyright from the whole work.
@CementSoggy It’s their art, they make the term, you don’t have to accept or commission them. Unless it work for hire or right transfer is in the tos/contract, artist hold ownership and rights. It’s up to the client to read terms and decide to agree. https://t.co/nsi3Hs0Lox
Customer protection only apply to safety(product won’t harm you), information(no lieing about the product or hidden knowledge, which information on cmo3 is public), choice(you have the right to choose any rigger), opinion(being able to complain/review publicly), redressing(if it is broken, the rigger fixes it or refunds), education(the consumer is free to learn about l2d, consumer rights, and how to avoid scammers, but it is up to them to actually learn these to protect themself).
I wasn’t saying that the information that wasn’t included was if the cmo3, but in response to “disclaimer saying that without the cmo3, they can’t work with another rigger/update the model without them”. I personally think it important that the client know, but again, it is up to the client to know or have a conversation/ask about what the tos means. If they have in the tos that the cmo3 isn’t included in the tos and the client didn’t know what this meant, this doesn’t break customer protects, they are delivering what was put in tos. The law only apply of there is private knowledge that would hurt the client, riggers do not have to explain general knowledge(public knowledge, like what the cmo3 is and what it is used for).
Am I saying this is right, no, I personally want my client to know all the detail and explain anything they might not. But in terms the actually law, it wouldn’t apply here. Labor laws also wouldn’t apply here, that is for employers and employees, we are not the clients’ employees, also labor laws are for employee protection, not the employer.