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@Majed____000 I think even outside of tactics, I starting to feel this way. Heโs the perfect manager I think to build a long-term team with. Smart, understands the club, worked in a similar sized club before and was highly successful. Just smart and pragmatic approaches.
๐ฆ Thomas Frank to Palace?
Well, it looks increasingly likely. So naturally, Iโve spent far too much of my Sunday + evening going through
Brentford stats and Tottenham tactical footage.
Turns out thereโs a lot more to Frank than sitting deep and launching long throws.
Hereโs what I found, what worries me and why I think he could actually suit Palace. ๐งต๐
Exactly the kind of noises we want to be hearingโฆ
As amazing as Glasner was, the constant public digs and undermining of the football clubโs set-up wasnโt entirely helpful. Having someone who gets Palace and wants to build with the club I think is a very attractive option.
โThere is something to be said for somebody that really wants it... the desire to get inside and make an impact.โ
@david_ornstein explains why Thomas Frank would be an attractive candidate for Crystal Palace, should Pierre Sage be sacked.
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I love Glasner and heโs comfortably our best ever manager, but I donโt think he was always right about how the club was run.
Weโre near the bottom of the PL for revenue and have to operate within SCR. Survival has to be the first priority, and selling our best players at the right time is unfortunately part of that.
Look at Guรฉhi. We ended up getting around ยฃ20m for an England international largely because Glasner was so against selling him.
He was 100% right about the lack of squad depth, but some of the decisions he publicly opposed were pretty important for the long-term future of the club.
You can love Glasner and still disagree with him on that.
@wrighty_84 Completely agree. Mentality, style and expectations all change when you get to the big teams. Similar story with Potter at Chels.
My worse fear is having to write a Dyche thread if he gets appointed.
Yeh itโs interesting. Clearly great defensively as shown by his numbers at Brentford by conceding the lowest xG per shot in the league.
The long shot trade-off is a really interesting debate. We saw it with Pepโs city and the frustration fans would get with them trying to walk it into the net. Clearly this approach works in aggregate as this is the approach of many of the high possession based teams now. Also think the number is slightly skewed given they had Toney who was elite in the box. I can imagine with a Mateta profile striker, we could see Frank try a similar approach.
Think thatโs a pretty unfair assessment of Frank. Of course Brentfordโs SmartOdds-backed recruitment model deserves huge credit, but suggesting their manager of seven years deserves none is a bit ridiculous.
Itโs the classic Model vs Manager debate, isnโt it? Same questions came up with Potter at Brighton. Both clubs have exceptional data and recruitment setups (Starlizard/Jamestown at Brighton), which Palace simply donโt have. So I agree itโs difficult to separate the two.
But what really impresses me about Frank is that he proved himself at every stage. Championship promotion, PL survival, then two top-half finishes. Brighton are actually an interesting comparison here. Theyโve had to change managers as theyโve progressed, bringing in Potter to establish themselves in the PL and then De Zerbi to take them to another level. Frank effectively did all of that himself at Brentford.
The model identifies the players, but someone still has to coach them and get results. And clearly Spurs saw enough in him to give him the job too.
Iโd love someone like Hellberg or Eckert in different circumstances, but given the position Palace are in, I think Frankโs years of PL experience and track record make him the most sensible option. We could really do with someone safe and solid right now.
Completely fair to question how heโd fare without Brentfordโs infrastructure, but dismissing his record altogether seems a stretch.
Who would you rather have?
Yeh itโs a really interesting debate that comes up with the Model vs Manager. Same thing with Potter at Brighton.
Of course we donโt have the data and recruitment infrastructure of Brighton (Starlizard/Jamestown) or Brentford (SmartOdds) so itโs always impossible to really know.
I would say what I like about Frank is that he did at every level. Brighton rose through the divisions and then hired the best manager that suited what stage they were at. Potter when they were safe in Prem and RDZ when they wanted to kick on. Frank proved that he had the coaching ability at each level and clearly Tottenham valued that when hiring.
@LeahJWalker@AW_CPFC ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ a terrorist - really? I think judging managers at Spurs is a terrible idea. Mou and Conte massively struggled with far superior squads. I think RDZ is one of the best coaches about and even then you arenโt firing.
Complete agree. What can we do when he leaves apart from rebuild.
Iโm not 100% sure the current state of club/team can also be stuck on the head of Hobbs. There has been a constant trend of under-selling our top assets (Olise, Guehi) which may not seem a big deal at the time as we enjoyed some more on the pitch success but the knock on effects to lower revenue generating teams are huge.
Thereโs a reason a gap is appearing between us and the Brighton/Brentford. Itโs not only because they have a far superior data and recruitment set-ups with Starlizard/Jamestown and Smartodds but itโs also because they have sold their best players well and regularly which then massively boosts their SCR.
Iโm going to a deep dive into Matt Hobbs and his background next week but we must remember he is still acting within the tough constraints of our low revenue and extra harsh UEFA SCR rules.
Yeh itโs a really interesting debate that comes up with the Model vs Manager. Same thing with Potter at Brighton.
Of course we donโt have the data and recruitment infrastructure of Brighton (Starlizard/Jamestown) or Brentford (SmartOdds) so itโs always impossible to really know.
I would say what I like about Frank is that he did at every level. Brighton rose through the divisions and then hired the best manager that suited what stage they were at. Potter when they were safe in Prem and RDZ when they wanted to kick on. Frank proved that he had the coaching ability at each level and clearly Tottenham valued that when hiring.
I agree itโs really hard to know but based on whatโs around, I think heโs best shout. Iโd love an Hellberg or Eckert but given the situation we are currently in, I think a manager that has vast PL experience and is the definition of safe and solid is a much better fit.
Any names you like more?