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Interesting to see Marion Koopmans take a 'nuanced' stance on the lab origin theory. Quite the departure from earlier comments. Not exactly thrilled about this shift. Marion, a chat on our special line might be in order? #RingRingItsPeter
@RolandBakerIII Lol yes the irony was obvious.
Of course, the situation is a bit different if my close colleague is even possibly culpable for the millions of deaths.
It's the kind of very serious COI that would cause me to be far more careful, reserved, and reflective than Marion has been.
@RolandBakerIII Yea and it's especially hilarious considering her connections to Daszak (he conducted GOF on novel SARS in BSL2 at WIV and proposed inserting FCS). Personally, I love a little dark humor, especially with the context of the millions dead๐
@RolandBakerIII Her new thread is far too nuanced and open-minded about a lab origin.
In the past, she called it 'debunked' and grouped it with arrival by meteorite. Her new 'nuance' is empowering conspiracy theorists like FBI, DoE, Lancet Commission, WHO, former CDC director, etc..
Frankly Marion, this thread is too nuanced. You seem to be dangerously open-minded about the possibility of a lab origin, while in the past you claimed it was 'debunked' and grouped it with arrival by meteorite.
This new 'nuance' is very dangerous to Science, please reflect๐
Wat Maurice ook voor het gemak niet noemt is dat ik in allerlei gremia heb gezegd: we weten niet precies wat er is gebeurd. Maar op basis van wat ik nu aan evidence heb gezien vind ik de zoonose hypothese veruit de meest aannemelijke. Te genuanceerd?
@LawrenceGostin@Georgetown_Uni@oneillinstitute I loved when Fauci funded the world's most dangerous research in insanely low biosafety conditions in a hostile authoritarian nation. Then, a pandemic started there and killed millions while he covered his tracks. A true national treasure โค๏ธ
The location of the outbreak in the city with the world's largest lab collection of SARS viruses isnt evidence. The fact that the lab was engaged in the world's most dangerous experiments in insanely low biosafety conditions is not evidence. The DEFUSE proposal, a blueprint from WIV researchers to create SARS-CoV-2, is not evidence. The SARS database going offline, and the tens of thousands of negative potential host animals, are not evidence. The sick WIV researchers are not evidence. These are all just big ole natural coinkydinks.
The biased collection of late cases clustered around both WCDC and the market is the only evidence that counts! ๐คก
@AliceCHughes The authors of PO were not engaged in science and made unscientific claims w/o evidence. They deserve subpoenas, and more are coming.
The viruses you mention can cause outbreaks from both zoonosis and research accidents. Both must be prevented, both must be acknowledged.
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@avaemariea@ggronvall@COVIDSelect Transparency is just a trap used to attack Science. ePPP research technologies should be globally available to all people without any restrictions, regulations, or transparency.