Edward Conway

[Edward Conway @EdConwayNZ]

@jjfThompson @zissou_1958 @EPlMANES See, this is where it gets interesting.

A sovereign state normally cannot have another government exercising supreme authority directly over its citizens, taxing them, regulating commerce, raising armies, etc.

[Edward Conway @EdConwayNZ]

@zissou_1958 @jjfThompson @EPlMANES issue with that:

The states had already begun to rebel before he was in office.

You can't quote a speech that happened after the rebellion started as the cause of the rebellion

[Edward Conway @EdConwayNZ]

@jjfThompson @zissou_1958 @EPlMANES And we're back to the 9th/10th Amendment and Article IV arguments.

Which raises the core question: when the states joined the Union, were they still fully sovereign afterwards?

[Edward Conway @EdConwayNZ]

@jjfThompson @zissou_1958 @EPlMANES So your position is that secession is a right that belongs exclusively to sovereign states, not to counties, regions, or other political subdivisions.

that correct?

[Edward Conway @EdConwayNZ]

@jjfThompson @zissou_1958 @EPlMANES So secession is a right granted only to states, not to the people within them?

[Edward Conway @EdConwayNZ]

@jjfThompson @zissou_1958 @EPlMANES So you're saying only a full state has the right to determine its own political future, while the people within that state do not?

[Edward Conway @EdConwayNZ]

@jjfThompson @zissou_1958 @EPlMANES Why would a new state need to be created?

[Edward Conway @EdConwayNZ]

@Wynnigheard @Overphoenix4 @padfooterz The state confiderat government was a rump one that had no power to join the state to the CSA.

[Edward Conway @EdConwayNZ]

@liberty_past @Brian_MALawyer that was tried.

the AoC.

it was considered a failure

[Edward Conway @EdConwayNZ]

@zissou_1958 @jjfThompson @EPlMANES I gave my review and feedback.

Im not going to grade you out of 10 if thats what you are asking for

[Edward Conway @EdConwayNZ]

@zissou_1958 @jjfThompson @EPlMANES that dosnt mean that revisionism can't happen.

[Edward Conway @EdConwayNZ]

@jjfThompson @zissou_1958 @EPlMANES The principle and argument is, if not the exact scale.

There is nothing in the CSA law that prevents WV from leaving.

You pointed out Article VI(?) but that only seems to apply for creating a new state, not preventing a part of a state from leaving the CSA.

[Edward Conway @EdConwayNZ]

@zissou_1958 @jjfThompson @EPlMANES using the 9th was an interesting twist, I never realy read up on that one so nice to find out it existed (so to speak).

[Edward Conway @EdConwayNZ]

@zissou_1958 @jjfThompson @EPlMANES part of the reason I do this is to explore interesting viewpoints.

If I could find someone nurdy enough, I would put up a decent fight for the legitimacy of Palpatine's rule as opposed to those misguided anarchists in the rebel alliance....

[Edward Conway @EdConwayNZ]

@zissou_1958 @jjfThompson @EPlMANES https://t.co/zlLZDmJNPV

[Edward Conway @EdConwayNZ]

@jjfThompson @zissou_1958 @EPlMANES and yet do not mention succession.

I agree secession should be legal, but the assumption that 9th and 10th apply is based on secession being a power retained.

That assumption was never clarified before the Civil War, and was the basis for the government declaring it illegal

[Edward Conway @EdConwayNZ]

@jjfThompson @zissou_1958 @EPlMANES

[Edward Conway @EdConwayNZ]

@K0RYNNVT Is it still there history though?

Which part flies the Confederate flags at rallies? Which party supports the retention of statues set up to intimidate minorities?

[Edward Conway @EdConwayNZ]

@jjfThompson @zissou_1958 @EPlMANES By that logic, the DoI was also formal notice the 12 colonies had seceded.

There was no set legal process for the South to secede. And while you can argue there was nothing stopping them, the lack of procedure can then be used to support the northern view

[Edward Conway @EdConwayNZ]

@K0RYNNVT @puppkats slavery was around before the Confederacy.

And as for "dems were pro slavery," yes, this is true.

it skips the context, though, that at the time the dems were conservative and the GOP were liberal.