This is a fascinating development.
If entanglement helps build the structure of space, and quantum “magic” gives that structure the flexibility associated with gravity, then modern physics is moving further away from substance ontology and toward configuration.
This is exactly the direction formalized by The Elemental Reason:
There is no “matter + structure” behind reality. There are only operative configurations of Coherence, Interaction, and Complexity.
Entanglement reveals Interaction.
Quantum magic reveals Complexity.
The stability of the code reveals Coherence.
Science is slowly showing that empirical reality is not made of hidden substance, but of measurable configurations.
The Elemental Reason names this explicitly:
E = C × I × K ≠ 0
https://t.co/V3JFqbESVl
The key distinction is between intelligence and consciousness.
An AI may know more than any human because it was trained on vast amounts of human knowledge. But a 7-year-old child who can barely read is conscious.
Consciousness is not stored knowledge or problem-solving ability. It is self-modeling in relation to self, world, and survival.
https://t.co/uRT7tSpkmW
Exactly. And this applies not only to panpsychism, but to any theory that is not grounded in a system’s capacity to preserve coherence, sustain global interaction, and maintain structural complexity.
Only a system capable of self-modeling can manifest consciousness at a high level of structural complexity.
https://t.co/uRT7tSpkmW
What is remarkable is that what you show through identical particles, The Elemental Reason shows through scientific measurement itself.
For 400 years, science has been measuring ontology without realizing it was measuring the fundamental structure of empirical reality.
@martinmbauer, if you read this, I think you will understand exactly what I mean:
https://t.co/uRT7tSpkmW
Much of the puzzling nature of quantum mechanics can be understood through one simple but profound fact: particles of the same kind are truly identical
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What is remarkable is that what you show through identical particles, The Elemental Reason shows through scientific measurement itself.
For 400 years, science has been measuring ontology without realizing it was measuring the fundamental structure of empirical reality.
@martinmbauer, if you read this, I think you will understand exactly what I mean:
https://t.co/uRT7tSpkmW
The problem of consciousness is not that simple. It cannot be reduced only to the results an AI may produce in solving difficult problems.
An AI trained on nearly all human knowledge may “know” more facts than any single human being on Earth. It can answer, combine, reason, and perhaps one day solve problems that have defeated us for a century. But being a vast repository of knowledge is not the same as being conscious.
A seven-year-old child in first grade may not yet know how to read or write properly, but the child is conscious.
The Elemental Reason has an answer to this:
https://t.co/uRT7tSpkmW
AI may reach extremely high levels of intelligence. It may solve extraordinary problems, create new ideas, and give convincing explanations of its reasoning. But that alone does not make it conscious.
Consciousness is something else: a self-modeling system that knows itself and its environment in relation to survival.
@guido1944135111 Not only that. In fact, reality is canceled. That is, everything goes to zero. Time, space, the earth, the stars, the planets, the galaxy, the universe.
@JamesJones80832@AliciaM290425 The “stopping” of the photon is a thought experiment meant to test what happens to reality if the propagation of light were to cease.
What if science has been measuring the structure of reality for 400 years - without naming it?
Discover the full argumentWhat if science has been measuring the structure of reality for 400 years - without naming it?
Discover the full argument.
What you are prompting AI to call “metaphysics” in fact confirms The Elemental Reason again, because TER does not begin from any speculation about hidden reality, but from what science actually does: MEASUREMENT.
And science has always measured only C, I, and K - nothing else. If you can find a particle, or perform a scientific measurement outside C, I, and K, then The Elemental Reason falls.
Good night, because I live in Europe.
All your objections are in fact confirming The Elemental Reason, but you are not understanding that.
Simply because you think that by saying these things about TER, you are refuting it. But no - in fact, what you are saying simply confirms it 100%.
Therefore, READ THE ELEMENTAL REASON.
@Shaktidass18@donalddhoffman Do not stop at the opening paragraph; read The Elemental Reason first - and if that is too much, even Google’s AI summary captures the argument better than this objection:
https://t.co/RVJMousqJ5
@Shaktidass18@donalddhoffman Read The Elemental Reason, because we are clearly talking about different things. You cannot attack TER without first reading it and understanding what it is actually saying.
Before we go further, I think you should first read The Elemental Reason, because we are clearly using the word “Coherence” in different contexts.
If we mean different things by the same term, the discussion will not be productive.
I would invite you to read The Elemental Reason directly, or simply search for it on Google and read the AI overview summary.
What you describe is what is already known: measurement is context-dependent.
The Elemental Reason points to something deeper: there is no “matter + C-I-K”; there is only C-I-K in configuration. Coherence, Interaction, and Complexity are directly measurable, and every scientific measurement confirms them.
For 400 years, science has been measuring ontology without naming it as such. The Elemental Reason simply makes this explicit and gives every stable, measurable theory its legitimate basis.
Anything outside C-I-K is not part of empirical existence.
I reject Hoffman, Goff, and Chalmers for the same reason I reject any theory that is not grounded in empirical evidence.
Theories that are coherent only at the level of language, but are not supported by scientific measurement, are simply weak speculations.
Hoffman speculates about perception, while there are billions of scientific measurements accumulated over 400 years that consistently confirm the same empirical reality. Goff does essentially the same thing: speculation without measurable evidence. Chalmers goes even further - he takes the limits of his own imagination and elevates them into an argument that consciousness must be something added to physical reality.
The Elemental Reason cuts these theories off at the root: if a claim cannot be articulated in terms of strict scientific criteria and measurement, it remains speculation, not knowledge.
https://t.co/uRT7tSpkmW
For the claim that space-time is not objective reality but a survival interface.
An evolutionary account of perception may explain why perception is selective or simplified. But it does not by itself prove that space-time is not part of objective reality. That is the missing bridge I am asking about.
If the video game is only an analogy, then where is the underlying argument?
What is the crucial part that I have supposedly misunderstood, the part that would provide the missing link and give me the full picture of the argument?
And finally, if the reality we experience is merely an illusion because there exists a deeper reality beneath it, what is the evidence for the existence of that deeper reality?