@Somtochukw19790@sadboilummy@Amakaikey@VibesDc68390@Wizarab10 Resorting to “Igbo girls too dull” because you have no logical reply? Very weak. The argument is about pregnancy and push gifts, not tribe. Attacking Igbo girls (or any tribe) makes you look bitter and small. Focus on the point or stay quiet abeg.
Stop using “free will” as an excuse to dismiss real sacrifice. No one is forced to give birth, but once a woman does, she risks her life and body in ways you never will. That’s not gaslighting; that’s reality. And yes, both parents fight for the child because it belongs to both of them. Nobody is denying the man is the father. But that joint ownership doesn’t erase the fact that the woman alone carried and pushed the baby out. Wanting appreciation for that specific pain is not greed. It’s basic respect. If you can’t give it without throwing tantrums and calling it gaslighting, that’s your own issue.”
Gaslighting? Bro, you’re the one twisting everything. I already listed how men are appreciated: respect as the head of the home, loyalty, emotional support, intimacy, Father’s Day, birthdays, anniversaries, surprise gifts, trips. All of these happen just because you haven't received any; plenty of men have. Women get celebrated too, yes. But that doesn’t cancel the fact that pregnancy and childbirth are a massive, painful, life-risking sacrifice that only women go through. Wanting a push gift for that is not “wanting and wanting.” It’s asking for recognition of something you will never experience. Stop pretending men get zero appreciation just because women also get some. Both can be true. The loads are not the same, and the push gift exists for a reason. Own it.
Telling women “if you don’t want to push, don’t fuck or marry” is cheap and immature. People get married and have children willingly; that doesn’t mean the woman’s sacrifice suddenly becomes worthless and undeserving of gratitude. The push gift is not to blame. It’s basic appreciation for a massive, painful, life-risking job that you will never have to do. Recognise it and know peace
That’s how low the argument has fallen.
Women are not complaining about having children. We are saying the physical sacrifice of carrying a baby for 9 months and pushing it out in a life-or-death labour deserves appreciation. That’s it. The man’s role of providing is important, but it does not cancel out the woman’s unique burden. Both can be honoured without pretending they are the same. Stop with the silly extremes and emotional tantrums. The point is simple: push gifts are recognition, not entitlement.
@Omo_Iya_Nike@VibesDc68390@Wizarab10@Amakaikey No. Both created the child, but only the woman carries it for nine months, risks her health and life, then pushes it out in painful labour. That part is not shared, is it?
Carrying a child for 9 months and pushing it out in a life-threatening labour is not the same as fending for the child for 20 years. Both are responsibilities, but they are not equal in risk or physical sacrifice.
Women don’t just “carry and push.” Many risk their lives, their health, and their bodies permanently. Men provide, yes, and that’s appreciated. But providing money is not the same as pushing a human being out of your body. That’s why push gifts exist specifically for the mother after birth to honour the unique physical burden she alone carries. Long-term provision is a shared parental duty, not a replacement for that. Stop moving the goalposts. We can appreciate both roles without pretending the sacrifice is identical.
@Amakaikey@VibesDc68390@Wizarab10 Thank you for looking out for me. Since they were obviously not loved at home, the least we can do is to educate them on the street, so they can end up being useful to Nigeria, the society, and the beautiful woman they end up marrying
Yes, nature gave everyone their part, and nature made the woman’s part significantly harder.
Nature gave her 9 months of pregnancy, massive physical changes, constant risk, and then the brutal, life-threatening experience of labour, where she has to push a human out of her body. Women still die from it. Nature gave men 5 seconds to release sperm. So don’t hide behind “nature gave everyone their part,” as if the loads are equal. They’re not. That’s exactly why push gifts and appreciation go to the woman for that specific sacrifice. Stop twisting biology to avoid basic gratitude.
“Insults? That’s all you have left?
When you can’t defend your weak points with logic, you resort to calling people stupid and saying they need a brain. Classic. The facts haven’t changed: women risk their lives carrying and pushing babies in a way men never will. That deserves appreciation. If you can’t handle that simple truth without throwing tantrums and personal attacks, maybe it’s you who needs the brain training.
I’m done here. Have a nice day.
Men get appreciation every single day; it’s just not always called a “push gift. You get celebrated as the provider, the protector, the leader of the home. The difference? Men are not risking their lives pushing a human being out of their bodies after 9 months of pregnancy. That unique, life-threatening sacrifice is why push gifts exist for women.
Nobody is “demanding” just because they’re a man. Women aren’t demanding; they’re asking for recognition of a massive physical burden you will never experience. Stop pretending the loads are the same.