Horde got off so easy after this. Even the siege of Lorderon was just a ploy by Sylvanus to take out more alliance troops so it wasn't even proper payback. The whole thing was a retread of the horde having an internal rebellion and disposing their curropt Warchief, and trying to pin the bland entirely on her when really the faction is just as culpable. Sylvanus didn't act alone, there were no trials, or respirations, or the alliance imposing anything on the horde. What a terrible terrible story.
I think seal Twisting is a bit like Marmite. You either love it or you don't. But I have seen lots of people who like seal twisting say they hate twist of light because it removes the skill expression and the sort of rhythm component to seal twisting. People who don't like seal Twisting don't like twist of light because they don't want a twisting play style. I've seen the people who like twisting also say twist of light feels more like desk stacking than twisting. It seems like most people aren't happy with it.
With gear I agree, there's lot's of paladin great with int and Champion of Light let's us use it over warrior gear.
So I'm not a huge sweatlord when it comes to paladin (or in general) so I don't think my opinion will carry as much weight in this discussion about paladin and it's play style in WoW Forever but honestly I don't really like the direction it's going.
Now for context paladin was my first class in WoW back when I started in Cata before I mained DK, and in classic I pretty much played warrior until SoD where I played Paladin and Warrior. So my take on how paladin should play is probably not exactly like people who mained paladin in classic in TBC. But I do love playing paladins in general, like in DnD, CRPGs, Path of Exile, ECT.
So I guess whenever it came to the class fantasy of paladin to me I always imagined it as a warrior with holy magic. That you want intellect for spells and you were casting spells as much as you were hitting things with a hammer. What differentiated you from a warrior was the magic.
But I saw a paladin roundtable feature Esfand, Savix, McConnell and others and they all seemed very very against Champion of Light and scaling with intellect. They didn't want to put on the dress and be a mage or for holy paladin to do too much damage. They want AP. But I don't know if I agree with that. If the concern is just being a pink warrior why would you want to wear warrior gear and stay the same way? Why neglect the magic portion of the class which is the magic aspect. One guy in the panel made a point I agree with which is the class fantasy of paladin is doing other utility things and having your gcd free to do things like buff or cast purify. So having a big mana pool and the more open rotation is essential to that.
And when it comes to itemization if you don't want to be competing with clothe wearers is having plate gear with intellect on it. The same person brought up the point of not wanting to wear warrior gear. Esfand brought up it might make gearing boring for paladin if it just uses these paladin items, but I think that might be the cost of playing a hybrid with a more unique state requirement. A lot of these guys just want champion of light gone and for ret paladins to stay like warriors again and honestly I don't like that.
As for seal twisting idk it seems kind clunky and unfun. I kind of see why they removed it after one expansion. I don't really think seal twisting is as essential to paladin not being a pink warrior as leaning into is hybrid and magic gameplay is. Seal twisting just seemed like exploiting a kind of awkward mechanic and not an intended piece of core gameplay. So id rather drop seal twisting for another form of skill expression and keep champion of light.
But I admit I have way way way less cred than these guys when it comes to paladin, but that's just my two cents.
I started off playing WoW wanting to be a tank but I could never strike the right balance of going to slow or too fast for people. It didn't help I was like 13 when I started playing. Imagine having a 13 year old death Knight as your tank lmao.
@a_luffa Look, big jiggling video game boobies is just a moral good. You're just gonna have to accept that.
And again, if it didn't matter they wouldn't have changed it.
@a_luffa It seems like them not jiggling is something you actually care a lot about and you'd be mad if they changed it back, but I accept your concession lol.
@a_luffa If anything out of your mouth in the next tweet isn't an articulated argument as to why jiggle physics are bad and needed to be removed and you just engage in more appeal to triviality then yeah, you've conceded and proved my initial tweet right.
@a_luffa Also I thought you said jiggle physics didn't effect your experience at all lol. So whether or not I want them in shouldn't ruin your experience right? Or, is it you do actually care and really really want to get your way and have been bad faith the whole time.
You just don't want to defend your position that you want jiggle physics removed so you ran around it the entire coping and engaging in logical fallacies. Even if I was a mythic raider who's crushed every expansion since vanilla you'd come up with some other bullshit excuse because you're a weasily moron.
@a_luffa No you're just wrong so you fished for some angle to make a personal attack instead of attacking my argument which you can't defeat because I'm right. And you STILL can't tell me why the change is good and needed to happen.