@feliciaday @amazingprizzini Hello! I’m a white, cis male, and I am SO confused! I read the neg reactions to JK from people I respect, and I agree with them. And then I read JK’s article, and I thought it made sense. And now, here’s you rebuffing every point and I JUST DON’T KNOW! Help? I just want be kind!
@krishgm @Richard_Smith91 Obviously because Twitter has a character count, sometimes a shortening is helpful. But not if the people it refers to aren’t comfortable with it.
@krishgm @Richard_Smith91 Also learning. So genuine question: Is “POC” an acceptable acronym, when making reference to another person of African, Asian heritage?
@ManxNige@carolinepennock@simon_schama@DrJaninaRamirez@SamiraAhmedUK Burning someone at the stake is wrong. There are some absolutes everyone can agree on. If it involves murder, it’s bad. Don’t equate removing statues with burning at the stake. It’s not a reasonable comparison. And plays to the racists.
@ManxNige@carolinepennock@simon_schama@DrJaninaRamirez@SamiraAhmedUK Right, but what you’re doing is muddying the water about removing the statues of slavers and creating a false equivalence that can be used to protect the opinions of racists and the systems that we’re trying to change to improve our society.
@ManxNige@carolinepennock@simon_schama@DrJaninaRamirez@SamiraAhmedUK But you seem to be concerned with the opinions of the future, and suggesting that we shouldn’t remove these statues in case we offend a future morality. I don’t think so. We should judge ourselves harshly and hope we’re doing the best for the future and making amends for our past
@ManxNige@carolinepennock@simon_schama@DrJaninaRamirez Well, if the people of the future decide that Racism, Slavery and Genocide are morally correct then frankly f*** them. We shouldn’t be beholden to the ideals of those who want to profit from death. Then, now or in the future. That is an absolute.
@ManxNige@carolinepennock@simon_schama@DrJaninaRamirez But genocide and slavery IS wrong. That’s an absolute. It’s a historical discussion about the morality of the 17th century, but now isn’t the time to have it. And actually, condemning it DOES make us morally superior. I’m surprised you don’t think so.
@ManxNige@carolinepennock@simon_schama@DrJaninaRamirez You are, yes, but the original point was that Slavery was and is absolutely wrong and should be condemned, then and now. “I was just following orders” is no excuse. Just because some people thought it was right, or it was common, doesn���t excuse it. Right?
@ManxNige@carolinepennock@simon_schama@DrJaninaRamirez Right, but we’re not talking about pre-marital sex. We’re talking about genocide. Cultural changes in small issues, fine, but to say that they didn’t know that persecution, genocide and murder were wrong? I’m not so sure. And regardless, we should condemn those acts.
@ManxNige@carolinepennock@simon_schama@DrJaninaRamirez Yes. But they kept it secret from the majority of the German population. And previously, those that objected to atrocities either didn’t know about them or were suppressed. It’s about power. We have a more open platform now, so we can express outrage. Morality hasn’t changed.
@ManxNige@carolinepennock@simon_schama@DrJaninaRamirez But genocide, slavery, apartheid, these are historical moral absolutes. I refuse to believe anyone would not condemn them. So of course we look at them and judge the people who perpetrated these acts, but people then did too, and were silenced. The act remains the same, of course
I presume we’re not being literal with all this “These statues belong in Museums” because, frankly, that sounds like a dreadful day out.
"Daddy, daddy, can we see the slaver man!”
“Of course honey! And later we’ll buy a magnet of him in the gift shop”
"Yay!"
@xandvt “If you’ll refer to the chart you will see here, on this graph, that racism only began to be morally wrong 1969, and only in certain situations, like talking to one of them. My slide “Behind closed doors” shows that people didn’t know racism in the home was wrong til 2012...”
@krishgm “So, erm, this racism thing, I get it, I get it, totally, but, er, if there was any way we could make it MORE to do with White People, that’d be great.”