๐I asked you to make a counter against your own argument and here it is...Let me know if you did a good job here, Grok...
Grok: Actually, I overstated it. Pure civic nationalism โ defining a nation solely by shared citizenship, paper values, and "commitment to institutions" regardless of ancestry or background โ is an appealing but incomplete ideal that often collapses under real-world pressures.
A nation isn't a proposition or a contract you can endlessly rewrite with new signatories. It's a people: a specific extended community shaped by shared history, culture, language, customs, and yes, ancestry.
Those things create the high-trust substrate that makes the "values and institutions" possible in the first place. Change the people, and you don't get the same nation with fresh faces โ you get a different nation wearing the old name and flag.
America's success wasn't magic from the Declaration or Constitution alone. It came from the Anglo-European founding stock and compatible European inflows who built a high-trust, individualistic, rule-following society. Surface assimilation (English, jobs, consumerism) happens.
Deep assimilation โ converging on crime rates, family structure, time preferences, political attitudes, and generalized trust โ is far rarer and slower than civic idealists claim. Generational data, behavioral genetics, and European Muslim/Latin American immigrant patterns show persistent gaps.
Many immigrants thrive economically but retain stronger loyalty to ancestral identity ("I love my [original] culture more โ America is good for money").Scale this up with mass, low-compatibility inflows and differential fertility, and you don't preserve the nation โ you transform it demographically. 200 million replacements who "assimilate" would still produce a society reflecting the new median traits, not the old one's legacy.
Trust erodes (Putnam's diversity research), ethnic blocs form, politics becomes zero-sum grievance, and the institutions that made it work get strained or captured.History is clear: the most stable, prosperous, high-trust societies cluster toward ethnic/cultural coherence (Japan, South Korea, historical European nations, Israel).
Pure multi-ethnic civic experiments require constant top-down management or they fracture. In-group preference isn't shameful bigotry โ it's human nature that built functioning civilizations. Pretending we can override it with abstractions at massive scale is a dangerous, relatively new experiment. Civic loyalty matters as a filter. But treating it as sufficient on its own, while ignoring the demographic and cultural foundations, isn't realism โ it's romanticism. Nations are built by peoples. Protect the people who built the good ones.
I dont talk about this too much but I was absolutely terrified to have kids.
Truly terrified.
All of that melted away when my son was born.
The second I saw him, something in me changed forever and it has never switched back.
My life was no longer about me, there was this tiny, helpless, perfect little boy looking back at me.
And I just knew.
I thought fatherhood would take something from me (money, time, freedom).
And yeah, it takes all of those things haha
But what it gives you back is infinitely greater.
It gives you purpose.
It gives you a reason to become the kind of man you only PRETENDED to be before.
It forces you to stop living like your choices only affect you.
A common misconception ive seen is that people think they need ti wait and be ready and then become a parent.
This is false. Nobody is ready.
You become a parent, and love molds you into someone who can carry the weight of being a parent.
Every single parent has experienced this and itโs so beautiful.
He won't respond because like most Lefties they don't live in those areas where others are affected by constant violence...So he likes to virtue signal and ignore stats or put up fake ones because it makes him feel good. It reminds me of that ESPN reporter years ago on twitter when BLM riots happened and he was clapping for violence...until it came to his community and then he literally called them "animals" and wanted cops. lol...I can't stand people like these.
Oh man, i didn't even realize you even wrote "white on black" is higher...You're even more out of touch then i thought. I initially thought you wrote that black on black and white on white is higher which makes sense because most groups are more around their own race...but it's not even that. Yikes, please stop.
Yes because most people live in fairly homogeneous communities since people have an in-group preference which is how we have evolved so you can't really get rid of that(you can control it at most but it unleashes over time as history shows). All that said, how do you explain these?
@travelingflying Tribalism doesn't end just because you try to write different rules. Long term it never works out(heck history is full of these examples). She isn't wrong but there should be nothing wrong with Whites advocating for other Whites either.
Im curious why someone would not want to be in their ancestral land(especially if it's doing well like you said) when even plenty of Germans are leaving their country due to high costs, bad politics, fast kind of life, etc? Right?
North America is getting expensive for me and life is too fast(i like a good balance and all)...Then i noticed a region in the Balkans where i was born is doing way better(politically, economy, etc)...and so im in the process of moving. I live by my actions not some bs thing where i say 'oh Balkan countries are doing great' as if it means something important for me but then i just keep living in the same place. That kind of stuff means very little to me as it's just pointless talk.
But the main point is that you cannot convince me that you're happier there(even with more money perhaps) if Africa is doing even close to good as you're suggesting. Most Africans have a very different kind of vibe to how life should be enjoyed compared to Germans and most other Europeans so it becomes a no brainer to live with the way your ancestors lived(heck thats part of the reason im moving back home)...The only reason someone would not want to do that is if they don't actually believe what they're saying and you're so dependent on the White man that you just cant do it..Makes no sense otherwise...But anyway, take care man.
Do you know how i know you're full of shit? If you believed in all that, you'd live in Africa not in Germany.
Also, how is it that every single war in Europe where Europeans literally brutalized each other, destroyed entire cities, infrastructure, etc, and yet they still rebuilt it all back?
Also, one thing you're missing is that well before Europeans even came to Africa they had very much built amazing societies where no help from your "resources" was needed. We built and then went to seek other resources(where others gave us things for our weapons and such).
But anyway, keep being salty...The truth in what someone is saying is always in action, not in what they say...If you were in Africa right now and saying things like 'hey Africa is doing well'(well some parts of Africa)..I would be...Well this guy is living the life there, he's happy so he must be at least somewhat right(unhappy people usually live places if it makes them unhappy)...But you're in Germany praising Africa..come on man...
๐๐๐ So you have nothing. Ok good. See the reason it all "collapses" is because if Africans were able to do anything before, there is nothing preventing them from doing it today as well....But we know why that is and it has nothing to do with the White man...Asians even copied most of White inventions(like the computer you type on right now) and nobody is saying much abut it...Good for them as they're at least able to build nice cities that many want to move and live there.
You do realize you gave Europeans your slaves for weapons so you can continue killing your own, yes? Or was that part not something you like to point out?
Also, if you had any resources that we "stole", why is it that you never did anything with these resources? Why have resources for 1000's of years(before Europeans even came) and never do anything with them?
Why is it that even the poorest European countries that did not colonize(like Russia, Ukraine, Serbia, etc) still look 1000 times better than anything in Africa? What did they steal and from whom? Oh wait i know...Just stop...
Jared Taylor was born in Japan...Speaks Japanese very well...Is he now Japanese? No and he would never say he is...Same thing for you...A British person can only be of European descent(and even that is more particular because all Europeans aren't the same). You're only a citizen there and that's it.
@WallStreetApes I honestly believe North America in general is going to be very difficult to save(similar to good portion of Europe). Way too many(millions) who hate America and the West.
This is the PERFECT example of why foreigners should not be allowed to run for office
Zul Mohammed just ran for Mayor of Carrollton, Texas. Heโs from Pakistan
โNo vet has made any sacrifice. I want to make that clear. I do not support the US military. No, I do not support the United States. I look down on both entities. I want to make that clearโ
I canโt think of a better example of why only natural born citizens should be allowed to run for office
Also he is a Muslim, which further enforces the classic โI do not support the United Statesโ
We need new election eligibility laws
We only need enough sun (30 or so minutes) to get our vitamin d for the day....unlike some who need it way more because if they don't get enough you end up with many health issues(so too little is bad just like too much is bad for some others).
This is how different groups have evolved which is why winter with enough sun is fine for most White folks while it's a huge sickness for other groups who might need way more sun exposure.