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[MSR @EvertonnCA]

@JosipFCB93 I’d wager 25%-50% of the yellows this World Cup have been given on simulated fouls and all without mistaken identity review.

[Ben Jacobs @JacobsBen]

The problem with the new ‘mistaken identity’ rule is that it sets a dangerous precedent.

Breel Embolo dived, so if called on the field it’s a second yellow, but that wasn’t the decision.

Yet an amendment to IFAB wording before the tournament states: “When the referee shows a yellow or red card but has clearly penalised the wrong player of either team for the offence in question; the offence itself cannot be reviewed except in the context of mistaken identity.”

We saw the same with Tim Ream (originally booked for a foul) and Miguel Almiron (eventually booked for diving) in USA vs. Paraguay.

In both instances, the right decision was reached when revisiting the incidents.

Yet it’s massively open for debate as to whether this is actually ‘mistaken identity’, and that’s the issue.

It’s just a mistake by the referees. Both got sold by a dive. They didn’t mix up players. They just made a bad call on a regular foul and wrongly handed out a yellow card.

So really it’s just a rule allowing VAR to intervene on more minor on-field calls, and that’s the part a lot of people will feel uneasy about.

[MSR @EvertonnCA]

@Devon00541131 @benwright @tombogert There were hundreds of simulations alone in Switzerland vs Colombia mate idk what you’re on about. It changes everything. 0 yellow cards have been given in the natural course of play this World Cup 😂

[MSR @EvertonnCA]

@Sethsaurus @TWantland @andrew_wiebe I thought the controversy was that they only changed the language to say they can correctly apply it to ‘a player of either team’, but the language also still includes this

[MSR @EvertonnCA]

@Devon00541131 @benwright @tombogert This is like saying you shouldn’t get a speeding ticket on a freeway going 20 over surrounded by hundreds of vehicles going 20 over.

[MSR @EvertonnCA]

@Sethsaurus @TWantland @andrew_wiebe Mistaken identity isn’t even for fckn simulations it’s for like when you gave the yellow on a corner to the wrong player on the same team when you’re confused on the mix of players, that’s why it says you can’t ’review the offense’ in the law or whatever

[MSR @EvertonnCA]

@Cule0129 @wembytip @tombogert It changes everything actually 😂

[MSR @EvertonnCA]

@chris_L_marumo @wembytip @tombogert If you aren’t going to give out yellow cards for simulation in the natural course of play I don’t believe you should give them out in a perverted bureaucratic and easily manipulated review process by some default reversal because of a referee’s error.

[MSR @EvertonnCA]

@Gideoomatic The reason the application of mistaken identity seems so strange is because the rule was originally created to review in a situation where a ref carded the wrong player of the same team for an offense, that’s why a review of the offense isn’t included.

[MSR @EvertonnCA]

@Cule0129 @wembytip @tombogert We can say that but if you watch football referees clearly deal with the gravity of a second yellow differently than a first.

How many yellows have been given for simulation this tournament (hundreds of simulations) in the run of play? 0?

[MSR @EvertonnCA]

@AnsabL @benwright @tombogert It was his second yellow. The key part here is ‘in a match where there have been multiple simulations without booking’.

[MSR @EvertonnCA]

@JacksonOnRadio Fckn hell 😂 Yeah it’s fckn great that they’ll only give yellows for simulation through a perverted bureaucratic and easily manipulated review system after refereeing errors while the hundreds of simulations through the run of play are simply told to get up or rewarded.

[MSR @EvertonnCA]

@Gideoomatic @UtdCris_ I think 0 yellows have been given for the hundreds of simulations this World Cup in the run of play, only twice now through ‘mistaken identity’ review. Unequal punishment for the same crime because of a referee’s mistake.

[MSR @EvertonnCA]

@benwright @tombogert And now thinking about it that was also a ‘mistaken identity’ reversal. How many yellows have been given in the run of play for it? Lol

[MSR @EvertonnCA]

@benwright @tombogert In the run of play he would be told to get up, like the hundreds of other simulations have been treated this tournament, it’s due to the ref’s error that the card is applied, not the play. How many yellows have been given for simulation so far, one (Almiron)?

[MSR @EvertonnCA]

@user29848473 @benwright @tombogert 😂👍

[MSR @EvertonnCA]

@wembytip @tombogert His first and only yellow, correct.

[MSR @EvertonnCA]

@benwright @tombogert The ref is forced to second yellow because of his initial error and the review process, not because of the desire to call simulation by the nature of the play itself, otherwise Argentina would be playing with 7 men. If simulation was penalized elsewhere I’d agree with you.

[MSR @EvertonnCA]

@Stylo_____ If simulation was punished even within the match I’d agree with you, let alone the tournament.

[MSR @EvertonnCA]

‘Mistaken identity’, ref fcks up and falls for a simulation and then the simulating player gets an undeserved level of punishment because the ref fcked up initially.

[MSR @EvertonnCA]

@benwright @tombogert Not even close to being a second yellow, what are you talking about? You’re going to red card a player for a weak dive outside the box in a match where there have been multiple simulations without booking? Fckn hell