@ZaidJilani there are dumb centrists who just attack left,
and there are centrists (carville, even yglesias) who would happily Nuke Israel if polling and focus groups indicated it would get more votes in a toss-up senate seat
@pliirp@nikicaga@Landchadchud 3. dutch east indies (indonesia, run by dutch government in exile based in london after nazis overran western europe) had the oil, not french indochina
@pliirp@nikicaga@Landchadchud 1. if it was designed to deter from attacking, and then instead provoked japan to attack, then it failed
2. france was never at war with japan, japan went into indochina after fall of france and basically forced vichy france to allow japan to take over indochina
@ZaidJilani there are dumb centrists who just attack left,
and there are centrists (carville, even yglesias) who would happily Nuke Israel if polling and focus groups indicated it would get more votes in a toss-up senate seat
@nikicaga@Landchadchud no its not.
thats what happens when a country with 70 million people invades a country of 500 million people, its like swallowing a porcupine, you overextend yourself
sanctions had literally no effect, im not even against the sanctions per se they just had no effect
@nikicaga@Landchadchud 3. japan only went into indochina after fall of france, they would not have done this when they did if france didnt completely collapse in 1940
@nikicaga@Landchadchud 1. no sanctions on japan until 1940, there was a "moral embargo" in late 1930s, this had no effect whatsoever
2. if you invade china you invade a hornets nest with millions of people who hate you, hence why japan became more sluggish
@frankbumb@Landchadchud@nikicaga The record's clear that if US was only at war with Japan &not Germany, US wouldve focused on the country it was at war with over the country it was not at war with,US likely wuldve done Asia First instead of Europe First
FDR was concerned about this b4 Hitler declare war on US
@frankbumb@Landchadchud@nikicaga USA is lucky Hitler declared war on USA in 1941 after Pearl Harbor which he did not have to do (and nobody was expecting him to)
If Hitler did not declare war against USA after Pearl Harbor, USA couldve been forced to redirect military aid away from UK/Europe and toward Japan
@frankbumb@Landchadchud@nikicaga after khalkhin gol stopped japan from fighting soviets, and after hitler beat france and weakening uk, japan was going to head south and take french and likely british asian colonies
it was unclear whether japan would also attack and go after usa until sanctions in 1941