@Needstoview@Musing2Myself@zarahussain999@grok You provided nothing. A verse which I responded to and a list of verses with bad faith lies regarding the contents of the verses. Still, I believe discussion is the best means of gaining understanding, so I’m happy to engage in a good faith discussion.
@Needstoview@Musing2Myself@zarahussain999@grok Sorry to hear you are this brainwashed lol. If you’d like to have a good faith discussion, we can set something up and I’d be happy to discuss our differences. I’d love to hear more about this “taqiya”.
If you are intentionally misreading it out of context, I can see why you’d think that way. But those are not verses in the Quran, and verses in the Quran are meaningless without understanding the point of what they are trying to say nor the surrounding context. The same case you are making could be made for all religions. But you choose to make them about this particular religion because it serves your agenda. I wish you the best of luck with your mental health.
More out of context verses which literally do not make the claims written next to them. I’m beginning to think this conversation isn’t in good faith.
The point of the bible verse was not to judge Muslims by the bible. It was to point out that you’re selectively applying your outrage to Muslims.
I’ll indulge you. @grok, please take a look at the screenshot attached in the post I am replying to. The one citing Quran verses claiming that they order Muslims to harm (or rape?) non Muslims. Are these verses being misrepresented?
I’m not attempting to “own” anyone. I’m not 14. I’m engaged in a good faith discussion regarding the validity of the claim that Islam permits rape. It does not. There exist Muslims who rape just like there exist bad people of all faiths who rape. There is nothing in Islam that permits rape.
It may have permitted and discouraged consensual sex with wartime captives at a time when that was the norm. But that just makes it “not adultery.” It doesn’t say you’re allowed to rape anyone.
To clarify, my point is that the idea that Islam teaches that rape of anyone is any way permitted, is incorrect. Same goes for Christianity, though I pulled a nearly identical verse from the bible.
Surely you can do better than out of context wartime descriptions.
Check out Deuteronomy 21:10-14 in the bible. While there are MANY rapists who call themselves Christians or Catholics, and many scandals of priests abusing children, I’d never use that to say Christians are rapists or Christianity permits rape.
Assuming you’re debating in good faith, I’ve attached Grok’s explanation of this verse you’ve cited from the Quran.
Furthermore, forced marriage to a nonbeliever in Islam is strictly prohibited. Forced marriage in general is strictly prohibited. A valid Islamic marriage REQUIRES that both the man and woman are in agreement on the marriage.
But you don’t have to take my word for it. @grok, is it permissible in Islam to force a nonmuslim to marry a Muslim? Please also answer his question as to whether or not it is considered rape is Islam to have nonconsensual sex with a nonmuslim woman.
Surely you can do better than out of context wartime descriptions.
Check out Deuteronomy 21:10-14 in the bible. While there are MANY rapists who call themselves Christians or Catholics, and many scandals of priests abusing children, I’d never use that to say Christians are rapists or Christianity permits rape.
Assuming you’re debating in good faith, I’ve attached Grok’s explanation of this verse you’ve cited from the Quran.
Furthermore, forced marriage to a nonbeliever in Islam is strictly prohibited. Forced marriage in general is strictly prohibited. A valid Islamic marriage REQUIRES that both the man and woman are in agreement on the marriage.
But you don’t have to take my word for it. @grok, is it permissible in Islam to force a nonmuslim to marry a Muslim? Please also answer his question as to whether or not it is considered rape is Islam to have nonconsensual sex with a nonmuslim woman.
Citing 2 people, one of whom is a rapist and the other is an X account you can’t validate, is hardly evidence that this isn’t a unique view. Can you show me concrete evidence that this is a substantial or majority Muslim view? Better yet, something from the Quran to pin this as a Muslim view?
@T00NN_@Musing2Myself@zarahussain999 I oppose rape and think rapists should receive as harsh a punishment as possible for rape. Muslims included. That has nothing to do with the question I asked. Could you please answer my question?
@Musing2Myself@zarahussain999 You’re absolutely right, we shouldn’t have this. But how are you so sure this is a real Muslim saying real Muslim opinions instead of someone trying to troll? Clearly a spam account whose opinions you wouldn’t look twice at if it weren’t validating your feelings.
@grok what’s the validity of this image? Are any substantial groups or Muslim majorities within Europe calling for sharia law in the UK or white majority countries in Europe?
Do Turkey and Egypt have “strict sharia law”? Do any of these countries “kill all infidels” within their country?
@JohnsonGreat8@ThePaulMaster22@TheHarrisSultan@ReemAmirIbrahim That’s not what the tweet I was responding to was asking. Don’t move the goal posts. If your opinion is that Islam teaches things you disagree with, that’s a different conversation. The person I replied to was attempting to say that “Allah” is not a translation. And it is.