Moira

[Moira @FinnGunn]

@Kevin21Clark @scotfax @JohnStuartWilso And you're back to having no rational rebuttal.

Get back to me when you do.

[Moira @FinnGunn]

@Kevin21Clark @scotfax @JohnStuartWilso No contradiction. Pre-vote currency 'claims' are irrelevant as asset splits require post-vote negotiation. Conversely, telling 100k EU citizens that a No vote was the only way to guarantee their EU rights—and then stripping those rights away in 2016 is text-book scaremongering."

[Moira @FinnGunn]

@Kevin21Clark @scotfax @JohnStuartWilso By pointing out the irrelevance of your argument about "claims" that were made prior to the referendum?
How so?

It's negotiations and agreements that settle political or constitutional matters not claims that were made beforehand.
Everything is subject to change!

[Moira @FinnGunn]

@Kevin21Clark @scotfax @JohnStuartWilso Tell me Einstein, were the claims made by the Leave campaign the final reality of Brexit? You spend so much time fixating on claims that I doubt you even have a grasp of reality.
You saying I live in a bubble is nothing but projection of your own sad existence.

[Moira @FinnGunn]

@Kevin21Clark @scotfax @JohnStuartWilso Nope.

1. We don't need the treasuries permission to use Sterling, it's only control was to refuse a currency union.

2. We pay taxes/NI in Scotland too, pensions would have got paid!

3. The scaremongering over EU membership was pathetic, we could've joined EFTA within a year.

[Moira @FinnGunn]

@scotfax @Kevin21Clark @JohnStuartWilso And sanctioned by the UK government when it signed the EA. Given the scaremongering by Better Together over EU membership, the 100,000 EA citizens votes were crucial to the "decisive" (lol) win for the No campaign.

[Moira @FinnGunn]

@Kevin21Clark @JohnStuartWilso @scotfax "The government maintained that a vote on a profound, long-term constitutional issue regarding the future of the United Kingdom should be decided strictly by British, Irish, and Commonwealth citizens." Yet they had no such concerns in 2014. No need to wonder why!

[Moira @FinnGunn]

@Kevin21Clark @JohnStuartWilso @scotfax If they've lived here for a reasonable number of years and clearly intend Scotland to be their permanent home I see no problem with them having a say on the future of the country.
FYI UKgov excluded expats (the 15 year rule) & EU citizens living here. In total, about 5.5m people.

[Moira @FinnGunn]

@scotfax @Kevin21Clark @JohnStuartWilso If you're so confident that Scotland wants to remain in the Union, why would Westminster need to control the question and the electorate? Surely a voluntary Union should be defended by winning the argument, not by controlling the terms on which Scotland is allowed to decide?

[Moira @FinnGunn]

@Kevin21Clark @JohnStuartWilso @scotfax The only limit there should be on any referendum is a time based residency requirement. Instead we had a free for all which allowed a vote to anyone claiming to live at a Scottish address.
That loaded the dice in favour of the NO vote. The uK didn't make the same mistake in 2016

[Moira @FinnGunn]

@JohnStuartWilso @scotfax Ha ha ha, you really are a desperate fool living in a world of denial aren't you?

Demographic studies by the Centre on Constitutional Change found that 52.7% of voters who were born in Scotland voted Yes.
Salmond blew it on the voting franchise the SNP chose.

[Moira @FinnGunn]

@JohnStuartWilso @scotfax That's not a legal document, it's an opinion, a "viewpoint"!

Stop wasting my time with this desperate nonsense.

[Moira @FinnGunn]

@JohnStuartWilso @scotfax A statement based on precedent (both Scottish devolution referendums) and the fact that the Edinburgh Agreement was a temporary transfer of powers allowing one referendum. There's no legality in that statement whatsoever.

"Scots" voted YES btw!

[Moira @FinnGunn]

@scotfax @JohnStuartWilso Nope, it's a political choice up to the whim of any PM. Saying No to another referendum changes nothing, saying Yes puts the legality into practice.

Glad we cleared that up.

[Moira @FinnGunn]

@JohnStuartWilso @scotfax That's a subjective opinion not a matter of fact.

"when you aren't entitled to one"?

Ah, I see you're only a fan democracy when it suits your own personal ideals. Careful that mask doesn't slip too far!

[Moira @FinnGunn]

@JohnStuartWilso @scotfax I can't read "once in a generation" which is the basis of this entire discussion. The fact that those 3 words don't appear in the Edinburgh Agreement has you and your mate struggling desperately to prove something that's just a figment of your unionist imagination.

[Moira @FinnGunn]

@scotfax @JohnStuartWilso So why do you keep banging on about It then?

It doesn't even say "once". The draft order that accompanied the Edinburgh Agreement set out the temporary status of the transfer of reserved powers allowing Scotgov to hold a referendum. That was it's only remit.

[Moira @FinnGunn]

@scotfax @JohnStuartWilso What has that to do with one side expressing an opinion about a referendum only being a "once in a generation" opportunity?

And it's a political choice not a "legal fact". One that has thus far been made by 6 UK PM's since Cameron in 2014.

[Moira @FinnGunn]

@JohnStuartWilso @scotfax Well done for highlighting some random words.
However, in then interests of accuracy can you try again but this time put your red circle around the bit that specifically states "once in a generation"?

[Moira @FinnGunn]

@scotfax @JohnStuartWilso No, it was just an opinion, made by politicians who were in no doubt that if the referendum in 2014 was lost, the UK government was unlikely to be in a hurry to sanction another one.

They weren't wrong.