@AnikaBedson@NathanielW72701@bucktron2021@ne_vluchiv@TotalZigDeath Exactly. That is why it was an illegal coup d'etat.
Rada can't do something for which they have no powers. And if they still do, it's invalid and has no legal weight.
That is why Yanukovich remained an acting president at the time of his letter to Putin.
Case closed.
@AnikaBedson@NathanielW72701@bucktron2021@ne_vluchiv@TotalZigDeath 1. It absolutely is illegal. Rada cannot invent new ways to remove a president without putting them in the Constitution.
2. Yanukovych's successor was Turchynov and he was installed, not elected. The elections only came on 25 May 2014.
The ATO was officially launched on April 14
@AnikaBedson@NathanielW72701@bucktron2021@ne_vluchiv@TotalZigDeath I am looking at the Art.108 highlighting all legal reasons for the authority of the president being early terminated.
"He abandoned his duties" is nowhere to be seen.
For the third time: you're inventing utter bullshit. Nothing like that existed and does not exist even now.
@AnikaBedson@NathanielW72701@bucktron2021@ne_vluchiv@TotalZigDeath "The Rada just made up a rule" translates as "illegal coup d'etat".
Yanukovych did not need to retain his power because he never lost it. You can'y legally lose presidential powers by some made up shit which has zero support in the Constitution.
@AnikaBedson@NathanielW72701@bucktron2021@ne_vluchiv@TotalZigDeath No, he didn't.
Constitution, Art. 109
The resignation of the President of Ukraine enters into force from the moment he or she personally announces the statement of resignation at a meeting of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine.
PERSONALLY AT A MEETING OF THE RADA.
Details matter.
@AnikaBedson@NathanielW72701@bucktron2021@ne_vluchiv@TotalZigDeath Show me an article in the Constitution which enables the president to "abandon his duties". You're making shit up.
President can resign but he has to personally announce the statement of resignation at a meeting of the Rada. (Art.109).
He still was the president on 1 Mar 2014.
@AnikaBedson@NathanielW72701@bucktron2021@ne_vluchiv@TotalZigDeath Yanukovich was convicted five years later. You can't remove a president in 2014 for a high treason sentence which occurs in 2019.
That's legal nonsense.
The whole coup was executed by a bunch of dumb amateurs. Pretty much everything was legally fucked up.
@AnikaBedson@NathanielW72701@bucktron2021@ne_vluchiv@TotalZigDeath If it was a treason, the Rada should have started the impeachment process. This is how democracy works.
You can't simply threaten the president, make him run, then declare he is not doing his job and install a nazi who starts to bomb Donbas. How's that legal, for fuck's sake?
@AnikaBedson@ne_vluchiv@NathanielW72701@bucktron2021@TotalZigDeath That was not a successful coup. Chavez never lost his power over the judicial system, the Carmona govt was a bunch of losers.
That wasn't the case with Yanukovich.
A court will never rule against the successful coup enablers as the judges rightfully fear for their lives.
@AnikaBedson@NathanielW72701@bucktron2021@ne_vluchiv@TotalZigDeath Rada's decision had no legal weight and he could continue exercising his intact powers from whatever location. Not only from Kiev.
His letter to Putin dated 1st of March 2014 was valid and thus the Russian intervention in Ukraine was in full compliance with international law.
@ne_vluchiv@AnikaBedson@NathanielW72701@bucktron2021@TotalZigDeath Don't make me laugh. Ukraine was corrupt to the core, the Constitutional Court would not overturn the decision.
Show me a single example from history where an armed coup d'etat was suddenly overturned by country's courts and the overthrown ruler was reinstalled.
@AnikaBedson@NathanielW72701@bucktron2021@ne_vluchiv@TotalZigDeath Since there is no legal definition of "president stopped doing his job", nor is this a valid reason to remove him from powers, he remained an acting president until February 2015.
That means:
- Turchynov was illegal
- ATO was illegal
- presidential elections 2014 were illegal
@AnikaBedson@NathanielW72701@bucktron2021@ne_vluchiv@TotalZigDeath Killing him would have been the cleanest option for the banderites and everyone was aware of it. After his guards were removed, the plot thickened. In such situation you don't wait for evidence, you run.
Still, this had no impact on his powers. The constitution doesn't lie.
@AnikaBedson@NathanielW72701@bucktron2021@ne_vluchiv@TotalZigDeath There is no legal definition of "president stopped doing his job". WTF does it even mean? Nor is this listed among valid reasons for removing him from his powers.
Again, you're inventing non-existing bullshit as you go.
@AnikaBedson@NathanielW72701@bucktron2021@ne_vluchiv@TotalZigDeath Yanukovich ran away with Russian intelligence help in order to prevent his death. There was a plot to kill him. Should he have stayed and play a sitting duck in order to be shot by the banderites?
You can't be serious.
@AnikaBedson@NathanielW72701@bucktron2021@ne_vluchiv@TotalZigDeath The 2014 elections in ukraine were every bit as unlawful and undemocratic. Crimea, Sevastopil, Luhansk and Donetsk oblasts did not have any ballot rooms open and could not vote.
How's that more valid than Crimean referendum?
@AnikaBedson@NathanielW72701@bucktron2021@ne_vluchiv@TotalZigDeath Yanukovich never refused to keep doing his job. He changed location in order to stay safe. That had zero legal impact on his powers as an acting president.
If a Member of Rada permanently leaves the country, his term ends (Art.81). That does not apply to the president (Art.108)