Zankuro

⚔️ Anime enthusiast | Manga canon purist
🔥 Power scaling, lore & character analysis
🥷 Feats over hype | Logic over agenda
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[Zankuro @Free2Tink]

Exactly… and that proves humans in DB can get very strong, not that human Goku automatically scales there. 😂

Krillin and Yamcha’s growth is THEIR feat. You can’t just transfer it to a hypothetical human Goku and call it proven.

Naruto without Kurama already has actual Sage Mode feats. That’s the difference.

[Zankuro @Free2Tink]

That still doesn’t solve the problem. 😂 Roshi blowing up the moon proves humans in DB can become absurdly strong — it doesn’t prove human Goku reaches Goku-level power.

And “he’d still be trained by the world’s best” is another assumption. If he’s born human to human parents, you’ve changed his biology, origin AND potentially his entire life path.

Could he become insanely strong? Absolutely. But it’s still hypothetical. Naruto already has proven high-level feats without Kurama.

[Zankuro @Free2Tink]

You’re arguing against a point I didn’t make. 😂

It’s not just about Zenkai boosts. Goku’s entire growth ceiling, transformations and insane potential are tied to him being a Saiyan.

Remove that and make him a normal human from birth, and we simply have no evidence he becomes anything close to the Goku we know. That’s pure hypothetical.

[Zankuro @Free2Tink]

Agreed, Kurama is a MASSIVE boost. Nobody disputes that. 😂

But Naruto has proven above Kage-level feats without actively using Kurama’s chakra. Sage Mode against Pain alone proves he’s a monster independently of Kurama.

That’s the difference between demonstrated feats and hypothetical potential.

[Zankuro @Free2Tink]

@Geek_attack32 @SHSLRuby @Anime_folks 🤣 Goku literally had a tail, survived a full moon transformation into a giant ape, and possessed Saiyan physiology from birth.

Saying he gained NOTHING from being a Saiyan is hilarious. 💀

Remove his Saiyan genetics and you’re rewriting his entire biology, buddy. 😂

[Zankuro @Free2Tink]

😂 You’re confusing inherited talent with genetics, buddy.

Hagoromo said Naruto didn’t inherit his parents’ exceptional abilities, not that he inherited literally NOTHING.

Naruto is still an Uzumaki, and Kakashi confirms his natural chakra reserves are 4x his own.

Chapter 315. Maybe reread it. 💀

[Zankuro @Free2Tink]

@CantonCloud @tha_xuperLative @Anime_folks Not sure how massive your ass is, but Naruto’s chakra pool is canonically massive. 🤣💀

[Zankuro @Free2Tink]

Exactly. 😂 Naruto's an Uzumaki with massive natural chakra reserves, mastered Sage Mode beyond Jiraiya, and developed Rasenshuriken without relying on Kurama.

Even Six Paths power came from Hagoromo, not Kurama alone.

Kurama massively amplified Naruto, but acting like he'd be some random chunin without him is just ignoring the manga. 💀

[Zankuro @Free2Tink]

LARPing at Olympic levels now. 💀😂

Naruto has massive Uzumaki chakra reserves, mastered Sage Mode beyond Jiraiya’s level, learned the Rasenshuriken and defeated five Paths of Pain without Kurama’s power.

And you’re reducing him to a random chunin? 😂

Kurama made Naruto exponentially stronger, but pretending he had zero talent or potential without him is straight-up ignoring the manga.

[Zankuro @Free2Tink]

LARPing at this point. 😂

Jiraiya had personal ties to Naruto’s parents and was literally his godfather. Kurama was a factor, not the sole reason he trained him.

And the toads trained Naruto because he had the potential to master Sage Mode, something Jiraiya himself never fully achieved.

Naruto mastered it using his OWN chakra, not Kurama’s. Calling that talentless is hilarious. 💀

[Zankuro @Free2Tink]

That’s a completely different scenario. 😂

Removing Kurama doesn’t change Naruto’s genetics, natural chakra reserves or abilities.

Removing Goku’s Saiyan DNA fundamentally changes who he is. His transformations, Zenkai boosts, biology and much of his growth are directly tied to being a Saiyan.

Could human Goku become insanely strong like Krillin? Absolutely. But everything beyond that is speculation.

You’re comparing Naruto without an external power source to Goku without the very biology that defines him. 💀

[Zankuro @Free2Tink]

You’re actually getting it backwards. 😂

Naruto inherited massive chakra reserves from his Uzumaki lineage, independent of Kurama. Kurama’s chakra actually disrupted his chakra control early on, making training harder.

He mastered Sage Mode using his own chakra and defeated five Paths of Pain without relying on Kurama’s power.

Kurama was a massive boost, absolutely. But Naruto was already a monster without him. That’s literally established in the manga. 💀

[Zankuro @Free2Tink]

Not really. Naruto has actual, proven feats without Kurama. Goku’s entire potential as a human is hypothetical. For all we know, without Saiyan genetics, he could’ve ended up farming with a power level of 5. 🤣

You’re scaling a Goku that doesn’t exist against a Naruto who actually does.

[Zankuro @Free2Tink]

Fair point. Goku could become insanely strong as a human, but that’s pure speculation. We have no idea how powerful he’d be without Saiyan genetics, or how differently his life would’ve played out if he’d been born to human parents.

Naruto, on the other hand, is already a proven monster without Kurama. I’m taking actual feats over hypothetical potential. 😂

[Zankuro @Free2Tink]

@_XCVIThaGoat @tooblacktoblend @Anime_folks Easy, on his chakra pool alone, Naruto only loses to Hashirama, even without Kurama.

[Zankuro @Free2Tink]

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[Zankuro @Free2Tink]

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[Zankuro @Free2Tink]

Who said Charlotte was weak? 😂

Charlotte is an extremely capable Captain, but being a Captain doesn’t guarantee superiority over every Magic Knight forever.

Noelle’s potential was established early, and Saint Stage gave her a specific advantage against devils.

Power progression ≠ inconsistent scaling. 💀

[Zankuro @Free2Tink]

I don’t think that’s inconsistent power scaling at all. 😅

Being a Captain is a rank, not a permanent power ceiling.

Noelle trained, unlocked Saint Stage with Undine, and had a specific advantage against devils. She didn’t simply overpower Vanica through raw strength.

That’s character progression, not bad scaling. 😂