@WarMonitor3 So everyone just going to act like the russians havnt been doing throughout the war? I mean im glad the Ukrainians finally caught on but its nothing new literally how places like Avdiivka and Kursk ended
@marase@Mylovanov So enlighten me how are the Ukrainians doing it while maintaining a 7 to 1 K/D Because the ๐ท๐บs have ISR just like ๐บ๐ฆs - so anything outside of sneaking in will be seen and bombarded with drones. Otherwise we can expect the same rules that apply to the RF to apply UA.
@LambertNolen@berlin_bridge Probably whats its going to end up being tbh. As long as they can get get something of a "garuntee" outta the US (maybe even china) that would be enough and since ๐บ๐ฆ now owes everyone alot of money geopolitically the value of it staying an independent state just went up.
@lovethemd1ilfs@roman_srey@lexa_lrnt I also dont feel (personally) that the west outside of some countries Europe want Russia bled dry because a dysfunctional post russian society with nuclear access and global oil reserves may be too volatile and risky to have. So weaken yes - dead no
@lovethemd1ilfs@roman_srey@lexa_lrnt & in 2 yrs a new president will come in and will probably have a different tune change the fact that since '14 through 3 presidents Ukraine was never a priority for the nation but a good thorn in russias side - the eu is not a military alliance putin has even said ๐บ๐ฆ can join.
@SythUK@MarioNawfal The question is capacity, even with those #s 50k a month 3 mill dead in 5 years? ๐ท๐บ lost 20 million in ww2 & survived. Ukraine demographically couldnt take on the same loss while their economy at this point is essentially an EU charity case that could loose funding at any minute
@DI313_ Tbh at this point its the best their going to get or they can roll the dice and fight russia for 5 more years and probably loose the donbas anyway along with a million more dead or wounded.
@LambertNolen@berlin_bridge Id agree, ukraine is lower in interest then say Saudi Arabia for the US. Putins Russia is top 2 for us hence why we are involved in the first place and I think stopping him is still the intention - how that looks may not be what many in ๐บ๐ฆ๐ช๐บ would like though without a wider war.
@roman_srey@lexa_lrnt Also, You dont have to attack to be a proxy. Only the goals have to align, I mean ask yourself do you really think the west would be involved in ukraine if the war was with Belarus or Slovakia? But since its ๐ท๐บ the west uses Ukrainians (who have no choice) to bleed an enemy.
@Todor32958@lexa_lrnt I doubt it, Putin Trump Xi, they all need a country and economic order in order to rule. Nuclear war will uproot all of that along with their influence & power. Globalist may actually want that though if u believe in that kinda stuff.
@Ghidorah64@Defence_blog Im curious do you think the same could be said about the Chinese? When russian and NK troops come in and run war games with their 2 million man army?
@YevKopiika The west was never ukraines ally, between the slow aid & now blatant reversal of support ๐บ๐ฆ looks more and more like a proxy that tried to get bigger then the program - its truly stuck between a rock & a hard place geopolitically.
@allenscobie@berlin_bridge It wont, the West has been using Ukraine as proxy to weaken Russia theyll never risk blood on that investment. Now the oil soaked Saudis are more of a partner and thats why we see the west act the way it does.
@LambertNolen@berlin_bridge Simply put ukraine is a defensive proxy & Saudi is an economic partner i think thats pretty clear to see when u look at how tangible the West gets in the middle east vs Ukraine
@marase@Mylovanov Unless the Ukrainians are literally parachuting right above the russians I imagine a Ukrainian assault on a trench line would look very familiar to a russian one (DRGs/ armored vehicles/ maybe a few more drones) which should mean similar casualties.