Spare me the low-IQ USS Liberty conspiracies.
The US Navy has a long record of accidentally sinking or damaging allied ships in the fog of war. Friendly fire happens.
The real questions are what the Liberty was doing there in the middle of the Six-Day War and why US command failed to properly notify Israel of its presence and position.
Here is grok summary from Michael Oren book. Best historian of six-days war:
Short summary of Michael Oren’s treatment of the USS Liberty incident:
Michael Oren (Israeli historian, former ambassador to the U.S., and IDF veteran) does not have a standalone book dedicated solely to the Liberty incident. His main coverage appears in his acclaimed 2002 book Six Days of War: June 1967 and the Making of the Modern Middle East (in the chapter/section dealing with the war’s final days and Israeli operations in Sinai), along with his influential 2000 article “The ‘USS Liberty’: Case Closed” in Azure magazine.
Oren’s Core Position
Oren concludes that the June 8, 1967 attack on the USS Liberty was a tragic accident — a case of mistaken identity and friendly fire caused by a chain of Israeli identification failures, communication breakdowns between air and naval forces, and the fog of war during Israel’s rapid advance in Sinai.
He argues:
Israeli pilots and torpedo boat crews genuinely believed they were attacking an Egyptian naval vessel (possibly the supply ship El Quseir).
Extensive declassified Israeli and American documents (including Israeli pilot cockpit tapes and U.S. intelligence intercepts) show no evidence of deliberate intent to attack a known American ship.
The attack resulted from human error and wartime confusion, not a conspiracy or cover-up at the command level.
Oren has strongly criticized books and accounts (e.g., those by James Bamford and some survivor narratives) that claim the attack was intentional, calling their evidence flawed or overstated. He maintains that after reviewing thousands of pages of declassified material, the documentary record consistently supports the accident conclusion reached by both Israeli and U.S. official inquiries.
In short, Oren presents the incident as a costly, heartbreaking mistake in the heat of battle rather than a deliberate act, while acknowledging the heavy American casualties (34 killed, 171 wounded) and the heroism of the Liberty’s crew.
Would you like a comparison with other historians’ views, key quotes from Oren, or details from a specific part of Six Days of War?
@jacksonhinkle Why are reposting it? It relates to all anti-Semites, you as well. You are a usefull idiot for Russian commies, but Smersh will come after woke -reich as well. Check with your Russian handlers what is SMERSH.
These woke-reich antisemites are too blinded by their own ideological sewage to grasp that Putin forged modern Russia’s national identity on the victory over Nazism. He doesn’t just dislike Nazis and Nazi-collaborators — he holds a special, seething contempt for them, carved into his character by his own family’s suffering and Russia’s blood-soaked history. Cold, cynical, and ruthlessly transactional? Absolutely. But that visceral hatred of Nazism is the unbreakable core of who he is.
And that is exactly why he respects Bibi more than any other leader on the planet.
These woke-reich antisemites are too blinded by their own ideological sewage to grasp that Putin forged modern Russia’s national identity on the victory over Nazism. He doesn’t just dislike Nazis and Nazi-collaborators — he holds a special, seething contempt for them, carved into his character by his own family’s suffering and Russia’s blood-soaked history. Cold, cynical, and ruthlessly transactional? Absolutely. But that visceral hatred of Nazism is the unbreakable core of who he is.
And that is exactly why he respects Bibi more than any other leader on the planet.
You, nazi filth, tell Massie read the name of each of 241 US marines killed by Hezbollah in Beirut by order for Iran. Hey Massie, you low-IQ libertarian isolationist clown — read the names of the 241 American Marines, sailors, and soldiers slaughtered in the 1983 Beirut barracks bombing by Hezbollah, acting on direct orders from the Iranian regime. That's 241 U.S. heroes murdered in one day by Iran's proxy — the deadliest single-day loss for the Marines since Iwo Jima. Iran and its terrorists didn't stop there: they've racked up over 1,000 American soldiers and civilians killed through decades of proxy attacks, embassy bombings, IEDs in Iraq (at least 603 U.S. troops), Khobar Towers, and more. While you grandstand about a 1967 friendly-fire tragedy during the Six-Day War (which Israel investigated, apologized for, and paid reparations on — unlike Iran's deliberate terror campaign), Israel is out there right now doing the revenge and dirty work that gutless U.S. isolationists like you have blocked for decades. Your "America First" isolationism is just cowardice dressed up as principle. Iran has American blood on its hands from Beirut to Baghdad to today — and instead of demanding decisive action against the mullahs, you're obsessing over an old mistake while their proxies keep killing. Israel isn't "dragging" anyone; they're finally hitting back at the regime that's sworn death to America and Israel alike. Weaklings like you pressure restraint while real threats arm up. Name every one of those 241 Marines, Massie. Then explain why you're softer on the Iranian regime that ordered their murder than on our strongest ally fighting them. Pathetic.
Mario, please tell your antisemitic friend — read the names of the 241 American Marines, sailors, and soldiers slaughtered in the 1983 Beirut barracks bombing by Hezbollah, acting on direct orders from the Iranian regime. That's 241 U.S. heroes murdered in one day by Iran's proxy — the deadliest single-day loss for the Marines since Iwo Jima. Iran and its terrorists didn't stop there: they've racked up over 1,000 American soldiers and civilians killed through decades of proxy attacks, embassy bombings, IEDs in Iraq (at least 603 U.S. troops), Khobar Towers, and more. While you grandstand about a 1967 friendly-fire tragedy during the Six-Day War (which Israel investigated, apologized for, and paid reparations on — unlike Iran's deliberate terror campaign), Israel is out there right now doing the revenge and dirty work that gutless U.S. isolationists like you have blocked for decades. Your "America First" isolationism is just cowardice dressed up as principle. Iran has American blood on its hands from Beirut to Baghdad to today — and instead of demanding decisive action against the mullahs, you're obsessing over an old mistake while their proxies keep killing. Israel isn't "dragging" anyone; they're finally hitting back at the regime that's sworn death to America and Israel alike. Weaklings like you pressure restraint while real threats arm up. Name every one of those 241 Marines, Massie. Then explain why you're softer on the Iranian regime that ordered their murder than on our strongest ally fighting them. Pathetic.
You are an antisemitic cult member. There are thousand antisemitic conspiracies theories and it si one of them.
Here are the official conlcusions:
Both the Israeli and U.S. governments conducted investigations and concluded it was a tragic mistake — “mistaken identity” amid the fog of war:
Israel said its forces misidentified the Liberty as an Egyptian supply ship (El Quseir or similar) due to communication breakdowns between their air and naval units, incomplete friendly-force lists that day, and the chaos of rapid advances in Sinai. They apologized immediately, expressed deep regret, and paid compensation.
The U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry (1967), along with reviews by the NSA, CIA, and other agencies, reached the same conclusion: it was not deliberate. The U.S. accepted Israel’s apology and the compensation payments.
@KineDareel@RepThomasMassie Complete antisemitic BS. it was friendly fire and it is happening thousand of times. Asked British how many of them were killed in Afghanistan by US fire.
Will you moron read the name of each of 241 US marines killed by Hezbollah in Beirut by order for Iran.
Hey Massie, you low-IQ libertarian isolationist clown — read the names of the 241 American Marines, sailors, and soldiers slaughtered in the 1983 Beirut barracks bombing by Hezbollah, acting on direct orders from the Iranian regime.
That's 241 U.S. heroes murdered in one day by Iran's proxy — the deadliest single-day loss for the Marines since Iwo Jima. Iran and its terrorists didn't stop there: they've racked up over 1,000 American soldiers and civilians killed through decades of proxy attacks, embassy bombings, IEDs in Iraq (at least 603 U.S. troops), Khobar Towers, and more.
While you grandstand about a 1967 friendly-fire tragedy during the Six-Day War (which Israel investigated, apologized for, and paid reparations on — unlike Iran's deliberate terror campaign), Israel is out there right now doing the revenge and dirty work that gutless U.S. isolationists like you have blocked for decades.
Your "America First" isolationism is just cowardice dressed up as principle. Iran has American blood on its hands from Beirut to Baghdad to today — and instead of demanding decisive action against the mullahs, you're obsessing over an old mistake while their proxies keep killing. Israel isn't "dragging" anyone; they're finally hitting back at the regime that's sworn death to America and Israel alike. Weaklings like you pressure restraint while real threats arm up.
Name every one of those 241 Marines, Massie. Then explain why you're softer on the Iranian regime that ordered their murder than on our strongest ally fighting them. Pathetic.
Mark, enough with the Russian fairy tale "Boyars bad, Tsar good" («Бояре плохие, а царь хороший»). It's not Vance, Rubio, Kushner or Witkoff. It's Trump.
State Department just stabbed Somaliland in the back after Israel recognized it — reaffirming Somalia's "sovereignty" while Erdogan pulls the strings to protect Turkish/Ottoman interests in Africa.
Trump's foreign policy is becoming a wreck. Screw-ups piling up. Real conservatives, nationalists, and Christian Zionists are about to walk.
Great. Israel right and Proud Jews in US were demanding it long ago. All Israel glory was she acted independently. Ben Gurion motto: "It does not matter what goyim are saying - it matters what Jews are doing".
US is declining power and Israel is ascending power. US needs Israel more than Israel needs US. Time for Israel to become sovereign superpower. It has everything for it: military might, strong economy, brave and creating people, support of Proud Jews all around world. Sur, we need to have strategical allies like: US, India and probably, Germany after AFD will come to power; and tactical alliances with European and South America countries with rightist pro-Israel government.Great call. Proud Jews in America have demanded full Israeli independence for decades. Israel's greatest triumphs always came when it acted boldly on its own terms. As Ben-Gurion said: "It does not matter what the goyim say — it matters what the Jews do."
The era of dependency is over. America is a declining power. Israel is an ascending one — a $600+ billion tech powerhouse, global defense export leader with $19.2 billion in sales last year, and a battle-hardened military. The US needs Israel far more than Israel needs the US.
Time for Israel to stand as a sovereign superpower. It has everything required: unmatched military strength, a booming economy, brilliant and fearless people, and the unbreakable support of proud Jews worldwide.
Yes, we maintain strategic alliances with the US, India, and — after AfD takes power — a renewed Germany. Plus tactical partnerships with every right-wing, pro-Israel government in Europe and South America.
But Israel must never again subordinate its destiny to anyone. Independence isn't just healthier for both nations — it's the only path to Jewish strength and survival.
But even then, @DrEliDavid, this endless humiliation for a supposed superpower is pathetic. America’s global standing has been trashed for years and won’t magically recover — even if Iran’s regime collapses. Trump’s moves now? Pure Obama/Biden cosplay. The only difference: those clowns wanted to wreck America on purpose. Trump at least wants to strengthen it.
The US may not want endless ground wars there, but we have every reason to back efforts that finally free Lebanon from Hezbollah’s Iranian stranglehold. Remember the 1983 Beirut barracks bombing? Hezbollah (with Iranian direction) murdered 241 American servicemen in one day — part of a total attack that killed 307.
That blood debt isn’t forgotten. Lebanon will be free when the Iranian proxy cancer is removed and the Lebanese people (not Hezbollah terrorists) can actually govern their country.
Great. Israel right and Proud Jews in US were demanding it long ago. All Israel glory was she acted independently. Ben Gurion motto: "It does not matter what goyim are saying - it matters what Jews are doing".
US is declining power and Israel is ascending power. US needs Israel more than Israel needs US. Time for Israel to become sovereign superpower. It has everything for it: military might, strong economy, brave and creating people, support of Proud Jews all around world. Sur, we need to have strategical allies like: US, India and probably, Germany after AFD will come to power; and tactical alliances with European and South America countries with rightist pro-Israel government.Great call. Proud Jews in America have demanded full Israeli independence for decades. Israel's greatest triumphs always came when it acted boldly on its own terms. As Ben-Gurion said: "It does not matter what the goyim say — it matters what the Jews do."
The era of dependency is over. America is a declining power. Israel is an ascending one — a $600+ billion tech powerhouse, global defense export leader with $19.2 billion in sales last year, and a battle-hardened military. The US needs Israel far more than Israel needs the US.
Time for Israel to stand as a sovereign superpower. It has everything required: unmatched military strength, a booming economy, brilliant and fearless people, and the unbreakable support of proud Jews worldwide.
Yes, we maintain strategic alliances with the US, India, and — after AfD takes power — a renewed Germany. Plus tactical partnerships with every right-wing, pro-Israel government in Europe and South America.
But Israel must never again subordinate its destiny to anyone. Independence isn't just healthier for both nations — it's the only path to Jewish strength and survival.
Mark, enough with the Russian fairy tale "Boyars bad, Tsar good" («Бояре плохие, а царь хороший»). It's not Vance, Rubio, Kushner or Witkoff. It's Trump.
State Department just stabbed Somaliland in the back after Israel recognized it — reaffirming Somalia's "sovereignty" while Erdogan pulls the strings to protect Turkish/Ottoman interests in Africa.
Trump's foreign policy is becoming a wreck. Screw-ups piling up. Real conservatives, nationalists, and Christian Zionists are about to walk.