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@com4rtu @CeofEinova I think it's not a matter of Ei being that OP, but rather I think Bina is being overrated by the community. I think Neuv/Ei/Zl/Mav all have a legit argument against her.

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@CeofEinova She is kinda inconsistent in this regard though, like she has moments like these, but then she downplays herself over and over in her second story quest.

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@3Gamecraze Transcending fate is a common theme with a myriad of characters. Zl, Ei, etc all have it too. But that's not what I'm talking about. Descenders are lauded for having a will that can rival the entire world. I think it is precisely willpower that lets people resist these hax.

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@wickedelib @GenshinUniverse Greed impact is when... you buff an old character to be extremely competitive and give her c1 for free while buffing the c1(they could've put her buffing on c4) to be very good on top?

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@3Gamecraze Like, it's the reason traveler beat Ei at all, their first real fight against someone of that caliber.

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@3Gamecraze Maybe not ignore but resist. It's like how lightning kills babies but tougher people can survive a strike. My theory is that these metaphysical moves can be resisted by appropriate willpower, as willpower is a core concept of genshin, as well as descenders' importance.

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@3Gamecraze There's a reason there weren't true powerhouses fighting trilune dottore, I believe they're saving that revelation for when they rebel against celestia. Itd be very anticlimactic for zl or ei to show up to fight shades and then just drop dead to deathtouch.

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@3Gamecraze Well, it's probably just the anime trope of being strong enough to resist hax, like Goku yelling his way out of a hakai. Powerful enough people can probably just resist timestop or ronova's deathtouch innately. Remember, the strongest person we saw affected by timestop was varka.

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@3Gamecraze @Used228 I don't think so tbh. Sovereigns are actually fairly rated compared to everything else. It is the archons who are horrifically underrated. People genuinely believe every new faction outscales the archons.

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@ActroseHD @ZeroLogan_ @FatuiMarionette It's so silly. Ei is on the same level or greater than Deshret and Zl, who both stalemate their much older Sovs. Sovs gain power via age and auth, so if pre auth OG sovereigns can't beat zl and desh, what chance does a pre auth reborn sov have against Ei? Ei would fillet it.

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@ZeroLogan_ @ActroseHD @FatuiMarionette So how did her killing strike on orobashi irradiate the area with electro for two millennia? She wasn't an archon back then, so she shouldn't have had any electro right?

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@Guillerjjj @arlecchinofavbi @Mikostails Well, at c0r0 I believe sandrone has better dps, but cyno and wrio's constellations and sigs scale higher.

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@CursedLemon99 @LSangrine @AsheLohefalter What exactly could traveler do in that scenario? If Signora refuses, he's no longer officially sanctioned by a duel. If he tries to force the issue by attacking Signora, Raiden kills him before he can blink, cause attacking a foreign diplomat as a fugitive... would lead to death.

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@CursedLemon99 @LSangrine @AsheLohefalter Shogun said proceed as a way of legitimizing the request, as Traveler was a fugitive. The option of refusal was still very much there. In fact, Raiden was much more on Signora's side, considering she tries to merk Traveler right after.

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@OxigenConsumer @violencexroses @rinbedo She had ego, that's the only reason she died. She wanted to put him in his place herself. Cause Raiden was itching to kill him. Even after the duel she hunts him down. If Signora refuses, the puppet may look at her with disdain, but she does kill traveler 100% on the spot after.

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@Num1ZephyroFan @rinbedo No he doesn't lol, any and all puppet attacks(These are the lethal ones, as Ei herself was basically playfully sparring with him, like Ei vs Kamaji), were intercepted by someone else or avoided.

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@OxigenConsumer @violencexroses @rinbedo That's not it, the puppet doesn't say "proceed" as a way of mandating the duel, but just to confirm that she views it as okay for traveler, a fugitive, to issue the challenge. Signora could have refused, albeit with a hit to her honor/reputation.

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@CursedLemon99 @LSangrine @AsheLohefalter How was she forced to fight exactly? You can decline. Sure, you'll take a bit of a hit to your reputation/honor which would make it hard for Signora to persuade Raiden for her gnosis(from Signora's POV), but that's hardly being forced.

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@pierroswife @Stelrex4 @7staroth Including trilunes is cheating anyway as its 5 ingame years removed, and both have left the Fatui's operations at that point.