@Iron_Wolver@SamtheNightOwl the question still boils down to "would you rather kill everyone or not kill everyone" and tbh I'd rather not kill everyone
@bluecatsarah@WorldOfOrdinary@benphillips76 there have been studies in the US and the UK of detransition, and they've all shown that permanent detransition is rare and very rarely for any reason other than pressure from family/healthcare providers.
@bluecatsarah@WorldOfOrdinary@benphillips76 I agree with you that that's a bad thing! I simply haven't seen a study that genuinely shows trans people regretting transitioning in large enough proportions to excuse the pain that puberty places upon trans kids. I think the information should absolutely be looked at further
@CTWarriorMonkey@WorldOfOrdinary@benphillips76 This is irrelevant. Your comparison relies on the idea that they are comparable, but I have explained why they aren't. Argue my actual point, please, and explain how gender affirming care is in any way debilitating or replaceable.
@TellTheTroooth@CTWarriorMonkey@WorldOfOrdinary@benphillips76 please read the study. I'm begging you to read more than 1 paragraph. it says that 13% detransition including temporarily. Temporarily is a big word here- it means that they retransition.
@CTWarriorMonkey@WorldOfOrdinary@benphillips76 Having one's spinal cord severed is debilitating, and I don't know if psychological treatment works for BIID. Haven't looked into it. I do know that gender affirming care is not debilitating, and psychological treatment doesn't solve dysphoria.
@WorldOfOrdinary@benphillips76 https://t.co/GumlhauSR8
"rates of surgical regret... were 0.6% for transgender women and 0.3% for transgender men. Many... noted that they did not regret the physical effects of the surgery itself but rather the stigma they faced... as a result"
@TellTheTroooth@CTWarriorMonkey@WorldOfOrdinary@benphillips76 a total of 2% of those who detransitioned at all (which was itself 10%) did so permanently and for internal reasons. this makes 0.2%. My numbers were taken from a different study, but even here, "internal reasons" includes gender fluidity. The number is correct.
@TellTheTroooth@CTWarriorMonkey@WorldOfOrdinary@benphillips76 https://t.co/P85ogoLVo1
"rates of surgical regret... were 0.6% for transgender women and 0.3% for transgender men. Many... noted that they did not regret the physical effects of the surgery itself but rather the stigma they faced... as a result"
@CTWarriorMonkey@WorldOfOrdinary@benphillips76 You rely on the tenets that transitioning is inherently physically harmful and that gender dysphoria can be treated psychologically. There's no evidence to suggest either of these things that I've seen- can you provide it?
@CTWarriorMonkey@WorldOfOrdinary@benphillips76 3,332 in 3,333 trans people remain trans in the sense that they believe transition was right for them. That's what the science has found. The fact is that treating dysphoria with transition is successful in 99.97% of cases- what does that have to do with BIID?
@CTWarriorMonkey@WorldOfOrdinary@benphillips76 why is gender dysphoria different from anything else? diabetes is natural! should I prevent my child from getting insulin, thereby killing them, because that's "part of nature?" again- 3,332 trans people for 1 do not renege. puberty blockers are of benefit to them
@WorldOfOrdinary@benphillips76 the studies I've read show that about 0.03% of trans people detransition for the reason that transitioning was the wrong idea. Why don't you care about the other ~30,000 people who you think should be forced to go through the wrong puberty?
God help me, but Iโve made a Twitter because I canโt deal with โTERFsโ and their ilk for another minute. My daughter has happily lived her life as trans for years. At first I felt so relieved seeing her finally at peace. In the last year, I do not recognise the same person.
@solveig283@MillieCorner2 therefore, people were actually less likely to attempt at transitions progressed; since people farther in their transitions are, on average, older, it showed that transitioning decreased the risk of an attempt but not the risk of having attempted at some point in their lives.
@solveig283@MillieCorner2 the study that you're probably going off of was of suicide attempt over lifetimes, and it showed that as transitions progressed, suicide rates remained close to steady. Again- lifetimes; if somebody attempted and then transitioned they would mark an attempt.
@women_could@AblondeinLond@anyotherleader@youngvulgarian once again, you're giving me strong words and nothing to back them up. I accept that there are awful people out there- do you have any evidence that trans women are responsible for that? "These loopholes" is a very vague statement and I'm asking for something of substance