GaryP

[Joe Murgia @TheUfoJoe]

"[General Jack Sheehan] told the story of his boss instructing him to take a flight to a certain facility (presumably a Lockheed site) where he saw and touched a 'craft.'"

(In 2022, I was told that Person 1 had located the crash retrieval program (again) and brought in Person 2 to see if they could confirm Person 1's findings. I shared that on here.

I would later learn that Person 1 was Jay Stratton and Person 2 was David Grusch. I also shared that.

And I write "again" because Admiral Wilson, apparently, found it in 1997. But it was also allegedly found before that...

From Vallée's FS V5 (I moved some paragraphs around for clarity)

Hummingbird. September 24th, 2004.

Jim Westwood, in Virginia, has come up with new data, looking up archives and inspecting government documents. He’s close to Fred Durant (of the old Robertson panel) and his contemporaries. He’s uncovered a third official trail into the secret UFO project through Charles Bowsher, Comptroller General of the United States under President Reagan from 1981 to 1996. [Bowsher] may be one of the four “iron posts” beyond [Jack] Sheehan and [Admiral] Wilson.

Bowsher found a crashed UFO program during a massive audit of classified projects: “Less than a handful of officials knew about it.” In the period 1984-85, Bowsher uncovered a bizarre special access program coverup which surely violated every classification, executive order, regulation, and Congressional rule.

They contemplated turning it over to Justice for prosecution, but “a powerful person in DoD quenched it.” The program, according to the reviewers, had to do with an exotic, non-Earthly vehicle.

~~~

Hummingbird. September 18th and 19th, 2003

The officer in question, a 4-star general, was Jack Sheehan, then in a senior role at NATO. (Wasn’t he already retired then?) The Internet reveals General John J. Sheehan as Supreme Allied Commander, Atlantic from October 1994 to September 1997 [and] served as director of operations for the Joint Chiefs. Sheehan is now a vice-president with Bechtel, dealing with oil exploration.

[Sheehan] told the story of his boss instructing him to take a flight to a certain facility (presumably a Lockheed site) where he saw and touched a “craft.” He also said he would honor his secrecy oath and not reveal more, but he did acknowledge he found a $9 billion discrepancy in some budgets which led him to uncover the project. He seemed disturbed at the absence of oversight: private industry is completely in charge, he reportedly said. Which raises the question, “Could the project(s) in question be using DIA money without oversight or even knowledge,” which wouldn’t be very kosher in purely accounting terms, if not on legal grounds?

Sheehan’s official photos project an intense figure who transpierces you with icy eyes behind his glasses. A close adviser to Donald Rumsfeld, Sheehan has commanded military operations from Haiti to Bangladesh and from Serbia to Kuwait. If this man has actually stated that he touched an Alien craft, then a new chapter needs to be written and, as Joe (Firmage) rightly says, so does the history of the 20th century. But I must remind myself that I haven’t had the opportunity to ask direct questions of first-hand sources, and I have not touched any craft, so I have no basis for judgment.

(If I'm deciphering this correctly, Bowsher found the program first and got the full tour. Jack Sheehan (needs to be subpoenaed) was next, allowed in and touched an intact craft. And Wilson found it in 1997 but was denied access.)

[Joe Murgia @TheUfoJoe]

(Many of you might think I'm nitpicking here but I think this has the potential to be an important story, so accuracy is needed.)

@AlchemyAmerican, can you (or whoever puts these clips out) stop posting misleading headlines for clicks?

The full quote:

Jesse: "I've heard that maybe [Sullivan] had some firsthand experience with craft?"

@RepEricBurlison: "THAT'S WHAT I WAS TOLD, TOO. That he was in the Legacy program, had a firsthand experience with craft."

(This is what you posted:

"CONGRESSMAN ON UFO WHISTLEBLOWER'S DEATH 'He was in the legacy program, had firsthand experience with craft.'"

You left out: "That's what I was told, too."

Huge difference between Burlison saying he was told that, vs. making it look like Burlison is saying it's true. Is accuracy too much to ask?)

[GaryP @Gary29466]

@TheUfoJoe If so, definitely yes. It’s a world issue, not just ours.

[Joe Murgia @TheUfoJoe]

@Holden_Culotta Old news that I posted 2.5 years ago. @RepEricBurlison should probably follow my account.

https://t.co/Niqya8Vs8t

[Joe Murgia @TheUfoJoe]

Interesting.

And a little side note: I was told those DIRDs/papers cost $15,000 a piece or $570,000 in total.

[Joe Murgia @TheUfoJoe]

"There was some pretty intense stuff about lifeforms, what they were doing." ~TB

💥 If Trump Waives Eric Davis' NDAs, Is This Some of What We Can Expect to Hear? 💥

(I may not be first with these clips but I try to include info. that you won't get anywhere else.)

If that information about lifeforms, and what they were doing, was accurate, it's the type of information the world deserves to know. Was it Dr. Eric Davis who briefed him/them on that? I have a sneaking suspicion that it was, and I have NOT asked Davis about this.)

"All these rumors that you hear...just the wild, crazy stuff, some of that stuff now I'm being briefed on and people are telling me...actually has occurred." ~TB

~

@seanhannity: "If I knew what you knew, I would not be able to sleep at night."

@RepTimBurchett (TB): "Yeah, I was briefed in a situation, and they got into some pretty intense stuff."

Hannity: "Can I ask who briefed you?"

Burchett: "You can ask but I can't tell."

(Again: My Guess: Dr. Eric Davis. I could be wrong, but it makes a lot of sense to me. Here's why...

This is a message from Davis to me, from January...

Why Won't Davis Share What He Know with Congress?

Davis: "I already shared my information in a Pentagon SCIF with the SASC staff in Oct. 2019 and in a controlled access conference room in a Senate office building with the SSCI staff in Oct. 2019 and at a defense company’s controlled access room in June 2021.

"Then I shared it with @RepLuna's committee in a House of Representatives office building SCIF last May.

(Burchett is part of that committee, and that's one reason why I feel like Davis is the one Burchett is referring to when he says someone briefed him on some intense stuff.)

Davis: "So the 'Why won’t he?' has already been answered."

Murgia: "So what changes if a President waives your NDAs?"

Davis: "If the POTUS were to waive my NDAs, I could share everything I know with the public."

(PUBLIC!)

~~~

Hannity: "Have you ever told Donald Trump about all the obstacles they're throwing in your face?"

Burchett: "No, I haven't. As a matter of fact, I had a discussion with somebody last week. They said, you need to have lunch with [Trump]. It's very difficult to get, you know, he's, right now, of course, things going on all over the world."

Hannity: "But you're also saying, on the other hand, on a need-to-know basis. And that means the President's not on a need-to-know basis? Our duly-elected president, information is being withheld from him?"

Burchett: "I believe so. I was told that, even. Yeah, in the SCIF, this one time, where they asked me, where you're quoting, I mean, there was some pretty intense stuff about lifeforms, what they were doing. And different..."

Hannity: "Lifeforms alive here? Lifeforms dead here?"

Burchett: "Possibly. Both. Both."

Hennity: "And vehicles that have been recovered here?"

Burchett: "Yeah, and some that have possibly come here, and not in a crash-type setting (laughs). We had an individual that gave..."

(Again, this feels like Davis was the guy briefing them. He has spoken about crashed AND landed craft, including the alleged Holloman AFB landing-and-meeting event.)

Burchett: "And this was interesting about the whole thing was because, there's all the folks in there, and there's different groups of people, and @RepEricBurlison's a dear friend of mine. Because in the beginning, he was a big skeptic (According to Burlison, he still IS a skeptic. ~Joe), you know? And I asked him to join us in some of this stuff because I needed somebody that just wasn't like me, that just had been..."

Hannity: "Skepticism's healthy."

Burlison: "It's very healthy. I mean, you know...but a lot of people that were skeptics. But we were in this one meeting in a secure environment, and a member came in who is not really friendly to the cause. And really was a disrupter and started asking questions. And the person who was briefing us named names, dates, times, places, events, people."

(That sounds exactly like the meticulous, and detail-orientated, Dr. Eric Davis. 😎 )

Burchett: "Because I'd asked a question about Jimmy Carter. There was talk, I just threw it out there, that Carter... I didn't like his politics, but I don't question his faith."

(Sad that Burchett even feels the need to mention Carter's politics.)

Burchett: "And they said that [Carter] was briefed at one time and became physically upset with the information that he was given."

Hannity: "Of course he did."

(This seemed like snide remark from Hannity, as in, Carter wasn't a real man and he couldn't handle information like that without getting upset. Cheap shot, but that's Hannity.)

Burchett: "Yeah, but he had actually seen a UFO, it's a documented thing. And this person that was briefing us gave the date of that meeting and he gave the receipts. He said, 'You can go to the Carter library,' and he gave the date. and said... And there was, I think four people in the meeting (with Carter), and they listed three of them, and one of them, they weren't sure who it was. So it was probably, you know, CIA or something. And it ended up upsetting [Carter] so much that they pretty much had to clear his calendar for a while. But what is that?"

(Again, that sounds like a Davis briefing.)

Burchett: "And the thing is, everything that I've...all these rumors that you hear in the movies, in the books and the magazines that I read growing up, just the wild, crazy stuff, some of that stuff now I'm being briefed on and people are telling me that this is actually has occurred. And that, to me, is, I wonder, is this stuff being planted? Is it being pushed out, so that we gradually get a hold of it?"

(Hopefully, we get to hear what Burchett and the others heard so we can judge the veracity of it and see if we can somehow confirm any of it.)

[Joe Murgia @TheUfoJoe]

🛸 Did a Former High-Level Lockheed Official Admit That They Have NHI Craft? 🛸

In the @RepEricBurlison, @UAPGERB @ProfAviLoeb, and Puthoff talk, that came up, and Burlison was surprised.

I tweeted about it 2.5 years ago.

Corps. outside the USG have possession of materials of interest, in terms of ET spacecraft? 👇🏼

"You know, it may not be wrong." ~Former High-Level Lockheed Martin Official

Avi claims that was said to him by the Lockheed official.

Original Post... ⬇️⬇️⬇️

[Joe Murgia @TheUfoJoe]

I have no problem speaking up if I have any issues with Lue. People who have followed me (like you) for a while know that. But this DOES seem like an overreaction. Well, if Gerb said it! And Ross said it, too! And Sheehan! Never mind, some of those people (folks in the UFO community) have been critical of Ross, and Sheehan, too. But if Ross or Sheehan say something the mobs agrees with, it's all good. I'm not sure why I even bothered to put this post together.

Yep, we've made lots of progress, and Lue has been the face of it for most of the last 9 years now. Has he made mistakes? Yep. Do I want to know all of the details of how his involvement came about? Yep. But it's pretty obvious he was hinting at crash retrievals from Day 1 and he's loosened up a bit as the years have gone by. So this idea that he managed the narrative seems a bit off. Maybe he held back in the very beginning, but again, that has changed with each year going by. Is that on purpose? Maybe. Does it upset me? No.

[GaryP @Gary29466]

@TheUfoJoe I don’t care who you are, that’s cool as f@&$

[Joe Murgia @TheUfoJoe]

Can someone explain this to me? 🤔

@LueElizondo introduced @RepTimBurchett (TB) to a few "well-known" gentlemen who didn't want to meet in TB's office so they went to his house in Knoxville.

TB: "There was six of us...and they hooked up to the television, their computers, and showed me some things that were, I mean, they just defy anything of my limited knowledge."

(Okay, so if those videos were classified, are they allowed to show them outside of a SCIF? And if they were't classified, how come we can't see them?"

[Joe Murgia @TheUfoJoe]

Again, here's what UAPDA language says:

"The term 'legacy program' means...examine biological evidence of LIVING or deceased non-human intelligence."

If the world is told NHI are here, interacting with, or abducting, us, and, possibly, USING us, how will the masses react?

Note: The original UAPDA does not have those two words in bold or capitalized.

[Joe Murgia @TheUfoJoe]

These videos go with my pinned tweet, which is, mostly, being ignored. I should have known, and not put in the effort and time on it.

The mob mentality that takes over this community at times is really sad to see.

Most people aren't willing to take the time to see exactly what Lue has said over the last nine years, and when they're shown quotes they don't like (such as the actual quotes about what Lue said about materials recovered from crashes...otherwise known as CRASH RETRIEVALS), they ignore it because it doesn't fit their current narrative.

It's been like that since Day 1 (12/16/17), and it goes for both sides. I've shared things critical of Lue (one was about his comments on abductions) but, at that time, most of the community supported him so they ignored my tweet.

Great work by @HighPeaks77, as always. ⬇️⬇️⬇️

[Joe Murgia @TheUfoJoe]

🔥 Grusch Recorded an Interview with Jake Tapper 🔥

(Kudos to @lesliekean for breaking this news on June 14th.

Two weeks ago, I tweeted that I heard Grusch was going to be on @jaketapper, and people said, 'Whaaaat? Where did you hear that?' I couldn't remember. So I figured it was a dream and it wasn't happening. Well, it was from THIS!)

@lesliekean: "Last night, David Grusch went on Fox, and kind of went further than he's ever gone before, in terms of describing, very specifically, that he has seen photographs of crash retrievals. He says, 'crash-retrieval photos and everything.' Whatever the everything is, we don't know, but he has seen these photographs of recovered vehicles, and he talked about how they changed his worldview.

"And what was really interesting was he talked about some of the specific types of craft that were in these photographs that he saw, such as lenticular discs and crescent moon-shaped craft and flattened sunfish, egg-shaped craft, boomerangs. All of these things he actually has now acknowledged he witnessed himself with photographs."

"And he also said that he believes that these photographs will eventually be released by the current administration. So that is very exciting. That certainly will be a major moment if that happens. I just wanted to acknowledge this kind of development because I think it's really interesting, and David is also going on with Jake Tapper on Monday on CNN, so he might have more to say there as well."

(This was live on June 14th so the Tapper/Grusch interview was, apparently, recorded on Monday the 15th, and we don't know when it's going to air.)

[Joe Murgia @TheUfoJoe]

"First of all, I didn't say I was part of the Legacy program." ~Elizondo

Elizondo Responds to Coulthart

(Partial transcript and my comments.)

@LueElizondo: "I find it interesting that just weeks ago, according to some on media, I had nothing to do with the UFO program or the Pentagon, or AATIP. And now, apparently, I ran everything involving UFOs and The Legacy Program, so.

"I don't know exactly where Ross is getting his information. I suspect he has sources. Really, that's not really my concern. I've always had a lot of respect for Ross. For me, any chance I get to talk about Disclosure and transparency...

"Look, I've dedicated the last 10 years of my life being forthcoming with the American people about the reality of UAP, UFOs. In fact, one only has to look at my resignation memo, for the record, that I wrote to Secretary Mattis, James Mattis, at the time. You know, I've committed myself to transparency to the degree that I could. It is true that I had a security clearance..."

(Cuomo interrupts)

@ChrisCuomo: "So, that's the space, Lue, right? Because up till that point, I think Ross would agree with everything you just said, until right here. But you were in the Legacy program, you've never really talked about it."

(Cuomo, or his producers, should do a better job of preparing for these interviews because Lue has NEVER said he was in the Legacy program. Cuomo should know that. Ross stated it as if it was a fact, but, as I said in my long post, Ross is basing that on what his sources have told him and it has yet to be proven.)

Cuomo: "But you were in the Legacy program, you've never really talked about it. Is that because you can't? And if you can't, do you think it's fair of Ross to say, well, then you still should?"

(I can answer that: If you tell Lue to come clean about his past and how it's connected to the UAP Legacy program, and then, a minute later, you say that you understand Lue can't talk about it? Never mind fair or unfair, that's just plain contradictory. If Lue is bound by NDAs and security oaths, he cannot speak about certain things. So how is he going to clear the air? Baffling.)

Lue: "Yeah, well, first of all, I didn't say I was part of the Legacy program. And let me make this clear, too, Chris, and I'm sure you can appreciate this: When you work for the government, and you have a security clearance, there's always these statements, you know, we cannot confirm or deny. And people always take that as some sort of implicit yes, but the reality is, that's not at all what that means.

"There are classified programs out there, and if someone were to ask me, 'Lue, were you part of,' I don't know, 'Project X with the M1 Abrams tank?' Even if I wasn't, if it's a classified program, I would have to say, 'I can't discuss that.' In fact, I can't even acknowledge that. And for those of you in your audience that have security clearances, they will relate to that, tremendously."

(If Cuomo wanted to see how Lue would respond to a question we all want to know, he could have asked: Did Gen. James Clapper have anything to do with you getting involved in UFOs with the U.S. government back in 2008? Lue probably wouldn't answer but that's a good first question. And then Cuomo could have asked how Lue knew Clapper (he was Lue's boss at one poiny) and if they ever discussed crash retrievals.)

Lue: "And so, I think it's important. A lot of times people infer things, especially in the world of social media, and where, you know, people like yourself, you might say something that gets taken out of context, or I say something that's getting taken out of context, and all of a sudden it kind of grows legs, if you will, and starts to take on its own life."

(Cuomo could have said: Okay, let's get it directly from your mouth, with any context you want to add:

Were you ever part of the UAP crash retrieval and reverse engineering Legacy program?

And Lue would probably say, "I really can't answer that question."

And then Cuomo could have asked: Have you ever seen a craft, or parts of a craft, determined to be built by a non-human intelligence, in a hangar owned by the U.S. government or one of its contractors? I don't know how Lue would answer that. Maybe with, "I saw a lot of interesting things during my time working for the USG." He's answered a similar question like that in the past.)

Lue: "The truth of fact is that I've always been very clear: I worked in a program called AATIP. I have committed myself for the last 10 years of my life for truth and transparency to the American public. And at the same time, if me being on this program, where we're talking about me, Lue Elizondo, instead of disclosure, and I have an opportunity to use this in order to raise awareness about the reality that our government has been involved in this topic for decades, then that's a small price to pay, I'm willing to do that. And by the way, again, for the record, I think Ross is an excellent investigative journalist. I consider him a friend."

Cuomo: "No, I get it. I get it. You're not trashing Ross."

Lue: "No, no, no."

Cuomo: "I get it, and I consider you a friend, and I appreciate you clarifying it. And look, Ross can put meat on the bones of what it is he wants to talk to you about, specifically, and you can do it right here, if you both want."

[Joe Murgia @TheUfoJoe]

"Elizondo is...convinced that objects of undetermined origin have crashed on earth with materials retrieved for study." ~NYT 2020

🛸 If Elizondo Was Brought in to Control the UFO Narrative Away from Crash Retrievals, He Did a Poor Job 🛸

Take the Time to Read This All - May 2019

Tucker: "You think the [USG] has debris from a UFO in its possession right now?"

@LueElizondo: "Simply put, yes."

(Debris. Odd way to control the narrative AWAY from crash retrievals. See the entire transcript to see what I mean.

We also have this from the 12/16/17 NYT article that started it all.)

"Under Mr. Bigelow’s direction, [BAASS] modified buildings in Las Vegas for the storage of metal alloys and other materials that Mr. Elizondo and program contractors said had been recovered from unidentified aerial phenomena."

(Not exactly "crash retrievals of vehicles" but the seed had been planted in that first article. We know now (allegedly) that at least one of those buildings was supposed to store the craft that Lockheed was going to divest itself from but the CIA nixed it all. Again, allegedly.

~

The problem I have with what Ross said.)

Ross: "I think Lue needs to be more forthcoming about his past roles."

Also Ross: "[Lue is] bound by his security oath about what he can reveal about his past roles. I know he can't talk about it."

(If he can't talk about it, how is he going to be more forthcoming?")

~~~

@rosscoulthart: "I have been quite delicately outspoken in my belief on previous Q and As that I think Lue needs to be more forthcoming about his past roles, and I like and respect Lue a lot, and I think he's in a difficult position because he's bound by his security oath about what he can reveal about his past roles. I know he can't talk about it. It's a ridiculous situation.

"But there are people who bitterly resent and don't think it's a good idea that Lue be appointed to a position of power in UAP transparency because they think that he was part of a previous agenda that was, essentially, to try to control the narrative to restrict what the public is entitled to know about the UAP disclosure.

"And I think a lot of this was an intention by James Clapper, General James Clapper, to try and impose a narrative on the public domain using Lue as a front man - highly-urbane, articulate, and likable front man - to try to restrict what the public was told about crash retrievals."

~~~Rewind back to 2019~~~

This is from my Wilson/Davis MegaBlog I published in June of 2020...

On March 15th, 2019, Mellon’s colleague at “To The Stars,” Luis Elizondo, who ran the Pentagon’s UFO program, known at AATIP, gave a lecture at the Scientific Coalition for UFOlogy in Alabama. During the Q&A portion, the subject of crash retrievals came up.

Q: Have we attempted to shoot down any UAP? Have we succeeded? Have we recovered any tech or beings, dead or alive?

Elizondo: "(shaking his head back and forth) I can’t answer those questions."

Hoffman: "Out of curiosity, did AATIP program look at or consider any of the stuff that like maybe, Len Stringfield did with the crash retrievals or look into any of those crashes?"

Elizondo: "I can’t."

Fourteen months later, on May 31st of 2019, Elizondo was a guest on “Tucker Carlson Tonight,” a highly-rated cable opinion show on Fox News. For whatever reason, he was more willing to answer a similar question.

Tucker Carlson: "Do you believe, based on your decade of serving in the U.S. government, on this question, that the U.S. government has in its possession any material from one of these aircrafts?"

Luis Elizondo: "Whoa. Umm…I do, yes."

Tucker Carlson: "You think the U.S. government has debris from a UFO in its possession right now?"

Luis Elizondo: "Unfortunately, Tucker, I really have to be careful of my NDA. I really can’t go into a lot of…more detail than that."

Tucker Carlson: "Okay."

Luis Elizondo: "But…simply put, yes."

~~~

The best thing about that interview has always been Carlson rewording his question to include UFO and debris, and trying to get Elizondo to respond again. Carlson was ready to take, “I really have to be careful” for an answer and leave it at that. But Elizondo answered anyway: “Simply put, yes.” There’s nothing simple about that. A highly respected, career intelligence officer believes the U.S. government has in its possession, debris from a UFO. It may be one of the most important statements ever uttered on a national television program.

Researcher James Iandoli was immediately able to get a reaction to the Elizondo statement from Dr. Davis:

“Luis Elizondo’s brief answer to Tucker Carlson’s question about where the U.S. government is in possession of recovered, crashed and landed UFO technology hardware is 1000% accurate. My national security NDAs prevent me from adding any further comment on this.”

Landed UFO technology. Think, “intact craft” and Wilson. And not 100% accurate. Or 200%. He used 1000%, and to me, that sounds like someone trying to drive home a point. Is something of monumental proportions being kept hidden in a highly restricted, Unacknowledged Special Access Program? Yes. Does our government (or a private, aerospace corporation, with little to no oversight) have material and technology from crashed and landed UFOs? Yes. Or, is it “just” small pieces of exotic material, allegedly from elsewhere? No. To me, there’s a huge difference between the two. Displaying a piece of metal or material and saying it has anomalous properties pales in comparison to trotting out a full-sized, flying saucer with “Made on Zeta Reticuli” etched on the side.

~~~End Excerpt from My 2020 W/D MegaBlog~~~

Then we have this NYT article in July of 2020...

"Mr. Elizondo is among a small group of former government officials and scientists with security clearances who, without presenting physical proof, say they are convinced that objects of undetermined origin have crashed on earth with materials retrieved for study."

(So, if the edict was to direct our attention away from crash retrievals, Lue did a poor job.)

~~~Back to Ross~~~

Coulthart: "I refuse to accept that the people like Lue Elizondo, who were part of that attempt at a controlled disclosure (allegedly ~Joe), were motivated by bad things. They're patriots, they love their country."

(Agree 100%. Doesn't mean we can't disagree with how things were done, and ask for clarity and details on EVERYTHING. But let's not demonize Lue and/or others who were allegedly part of that effort. I think it's obvious that Lue tried to share as much as he could and is still limited by what he can say due to NDAs and promises made to his former boss, Clapper, and possibly others.)

Coulthart: "And I've spoken to people in the Legacy program who knew Lue (laughs). Lue, I know a lot of people, and they know you, and I know you can't speak about the role that you've held within the Legacy program, but you did."

(Did? A little nit-picky by me, but, again, that's according to the people Ross spoke with. I also think Lue had a role in the Legacy program but that's just my opinion on what I have heard/seen/read since 12/16/17. I can't prove it.)

Coulthart: "And I think we've got to stop this nonsense, because it's becoming destructive."

(What nonsense? Again, if (as he said) Ross knows, Lue, "can't speak about the role that [he's] held within the Legacy program," what is Ross calling for Lue to do?

Here's what I would suggest (IF it hasn't already happened): Lue should, privately, meet with people in the Legacy program who have issues with him and hash it out. And if Lue IS appointed as a UAP-Czar or something similar, in the Trump administration, and these folks who worked/work in the Legacy program are mad and won't come forward because of THAT, it will be disappointing. Not coming forward because you have concerns about personal protection, security clearances being lost, and needing immunity or amnesty, is one thing. Not coming forward because you don't like how things were done in the early years after 2017 is, again, disappointing, IF it happens.)

Coulthart: "There are factions and bitternesses beginning to develop within the UAP world, and I think it's in danger of blowing the whole thing apart."

(I am NOT worried about this blowing the whole thing apart. Again, if these Legacy-program folks haven't already met with Lue to express their feelings, make it happen and let's move on.)

[Joe Murgia @TheUfoJoe]

As I told you this past week, my $ is on @LueElizondo for that alleged new position within the administration. And I wasn't just guessing.

Also, we've all suspected Lue may have had access to the Legacy program ever since this in 2021:

"Did Elizondo See An ET Craft In A Government Facility?"

That's from my 2021 blog. It was third hand information: Greer saying that Sheehan told him that Lue told him (Sheehan) that he (Lue) had seen a craft in a government facility. I was never able to confirm that in any way, shape or form, but Lue's words over the years made it crystal clear he knew more than he was sharing, publicly.

And then there's the James Clapper connection. Lue has spoken highly of, and written about, his old boss (Clapper) in the past, and their relationship, and it all clicked for me when Grusch claimed Clapper managed the crash retrieval program.

Also...Lue's LA event on June 4th, with @g_knapp and @JeremyCorbell.

@SaraBondink was there, and wrote:

"Jeremy asked, 'Lue, Have you ever coordinated a UAP narrative with James Clapper?' Lue stated he wasn’t going to answer that without James Clapper present, that he is 'always concerned about the messaging.'"

Rewind to May 17th, when I had posted this:

"I suspect Lue was sent to AAWSAP/Lacatski by James Clapper to keep tabs on the program and to see if they found the crash retrieval program. Without Clapper, Lue never crosses path with AAWSAP.

"Now, Lue wasn't an official part of AAWSAP but we all know he was among other folks (like Stratton) who played important roles in AATIP when it was established in 2015, several years after AAWSAP fizzled out.

"But maybe part of the reason Lue was there was in case they successfully penetrated the legacy program and he could update Clapper on those efforts?

"I'm speculating and could be 100% wrong. It appears Lacatksi got access (if we believe he was able to get inside a breached hull) to at least one craft.

"Remember, Grusch said that Clapper managed the C/R program and Lue has spoken highly of Clapper.

"How in the world has not one member of the world's media asked Clapper if he actually managed the C/R program like Grusch claimed?"

~

The next day, on May 18th, I replied to someone...

"And I think Clapper was the one who brought him in."

Him = Lue

Since I posted that, I am even more confident that without Clapper, we never hear the name Lue Elizondo in relation to UFOs.

As far as what Lue CAN and CANNOT tell us about his alleged Legacy-program connection? That's up to him and whatever agreements he may have signed. Maybe if Trump would sign that EO waiving the NDAs of all the players involved, Lue could speak openly? We won't know unless that happens.

H/T: @PostDisclosure on the @UAPJames post.

[Joe Murgia @TheUfoJoe]

Someone just told me @tupacabra is calling me out on his Space for my loyal support of @LueElizondo and how I have ruined my credibility. He's confused. I'm trying to start my own Space but the button seems to be missing on the X app.

If I hear info. that's not beneficial to Lue (or anybody), I share it. Remember when Lue blocked me? We've since come to an understanding (I try to be as fair as possible) but I will continue to share info. no matter how it makes someone look. I think most folks realize that and it's why I have such loyal supporters on Patreon and here. I speak my mind.

Let me try to keep getting that Space started.

[Joe Murgia @TheUfoJoe]

Still a long way to go and I'm not getting my hopes up since this has failed three times in the past three years. Nice write-up by DDJ. We should get a feel for how things are progressing in the next month or so, I hope.

[Joe Murgia @TheUfoJoe]

@HighlyStrange This was put on during the W. Bush admin and, apparently, organized by the late John Petersen of The Arlington Institute. Yes, they voted to NOT Disclose. Puthoff now supports some Disclosure.

[Joe Murgia @TheUfoJoe]

Mellon: "I would point out that those triangles have been observed since at least the 50s, so it's not JUST our technology. It might have been reversed engineered, perhaps, but it's not, historically, always been our technology."