There is something really weird about some people's obsession with the horrors of the past. I mean, history is always interesting, but trying to make a political statement based on actions that can't be undone always struck me as odd.
@Humanisticus@ClearReason Hamas has massacred hundreds of party goers, the fact that some of them happened to be off duty soldiers, which hamas had no way of knowing, doesn't change the brutaliy of the event. Like what the fuck is wrong with you?
The IDF jailed a solider who killed a disarmed terrorist
@Humanisticus@ClearReason October is a textbook genocidal event and most of the "soldiers" killed in October 7 weren't combatants, not in uniform and unarmed. Hamas literally killed abd executed every person they could.
Seriously, you can have empathy towards Palestinians without down playing Oct 7.
@Humanisticus@ClearReason What is the methodology of this poll? What was asked? When was it asked? Why do you believe sensational headlines?
A Poll showed that 82% of West Bank Palestinians supported Oct 7 massacre - I think a cold blooded massacre is worse than explosion, are Palestinians more evil?
@Juvalss@yonatanhoresh צודק, ובכל זאת - זה לא פיגוע. ויותר מזה, ישראלים רבים היו פועלים בצורה דומה.
הגיע הזמן שנפסיק להסתכל על המציאות בצורה כל כך דוגמטית.
@HarushMarom אין דבר כזה "זכות לשטח". יש דבר כזה שטח שאני מצליח להחזיק בו בקלות יחסית ושטח שלא.
בשטחי A, B, וC מתגוררים פלסטינים. כדי להחזיק בשטח הזה צריך להתחכך עם האוכלוסיה המקומית. לחיכוך הזה יש השלכות - רובנו ממש ממש לא מעוניינים לשאת בהשלכות האלה בשם המשיחיות שלכם.
@Josh_Lviv@IhabHassane "have no right to hike". That's a childish statement, are you a child? Rights aren't real, they are narratives, and one person's right is another person's wrong.
@Josh_Lviv@IhabHassane This is a tragedy, and the intelligent way to see it is as such.
These settlers have to hike with armed rifles because they rightly fear fo their safety.
The Palestinian rightly feared for his safety and took the gun away.
This is how these things escalate and tragedy happens
@Josh_Lviv@IhabHassane He disarmed and killed a *percieved* settler terrorist. Yes. Whether this settler was a terrorist or a hiker, remains to be seen -
regardless, it wasn't self defense. The man wasn't an immediate threat - any reasonable court would have charged him with manslaughter.
@bytwn33041@MagiOtsri אפשר אולי להסכים שזה רצח, אבל זה ביזוי של המושג פיגוע. זה לא פיגוע בשום מובן של המילה. הבנאדם לא קם בבוקר לרצוח יהודים - הוא קם להגן על הכפר שלו (בין אם בצדק או לא) מחבורה ��ל מתנחלים, שכבר לא פעם ולא פעמיים עשו *פיגועים* בכפרים אחרים באיזור.
@Humanisticus@ClearReason Very few if any?! Do you know what Hamas is? Have you watched what these monsters did in October 7? Literally every single person they got their hands on, Jewish or Muslim, was killed in cold blood. They are vowing to do this again. You are literally asking for a wide scale oct 7
@Humanisticus@ClearReason Have you seen polls that show that the majority of Palestinian think that October 7 was a wonderful thing? These polls are designed to be misleading, and I expect intelligent people to interpert them with a bit more nuance.
@Humanisticus@ClearReason The end of the apartreid did lead to deaths of white - and that's without the fact that a large percentage of Palestinian actively support purging of Jews. That's what this war is all about my ignorant friend.
@Humanisticus@ClearReason The Palestinians always refused to give up on the right of return *to Israel*, this is effectively the dismenteling of Israel. Not to mention that Taba discussions were at the height of the second intifada, which makes you wonder - why then?
@Humanisticus@ClearReason Have you seen polls? The current government is far from half of the vote - and this includes the fact that the third of this government are Haredim which are very sectoral and couldn't give a rats ass about this conflict.
@Humanisticus@ClearReason No, not horseshit. Palestinians never entertained any peace deal, and Israel has offered many. The de-facto dismentling of Israel has always been a non negotiable starter for any peace negotiations by the Palestinians.